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4mo ago
(current Googler) For what it's worth we still use Android Studio as well internally, it is better and faster for doing specific UI stuff because of the tooling and visualization. On the flip side the Google monorepo is a pretty cool t
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5mo ago
It seems to forget about what I do and don't have access to (in terms of apps). I've had to remind it that I have Spotify and YT music more than once. Other than that agreed going okay so far.
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6mo ago
In general I don't disagree that it is a multiplier in the hands of good engineers but it also seems to be a multiplier in the hands of bad engineers (multiples of bad). The question is in larger organizations is having 5x the good com
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6mo ago
Honest question what were you doing that could be 100xd That did the companys revenue / profit significantly change in some way? Even at a large company if a person 100xd their productivity that would meaningfully move the needle.
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7mo ago
This seems like a big HN / VC bubble thing thinking that average people are interested in software at all... they really aren't. People want to open Netflix / YT / TikTok, open instagram, scroll reddit, take pictures, or
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7mo ago
My manager at work still does this in work chats and it drives me a bit crazy. If I want to k own what an LLMs take on the subject is I can just go ask it. The chat is for people to discuss people stuff.
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7mo ago
I can say at Google we usually just had engineering tip posters in the washrooms they were usually very insightful and just written by other engineers at the company. Stuff like how to reduce nesting logic, how to restructure APIs for bette
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7mo ago
The thesis of the article is that software other people have built is bad (frameworks) but software my LLM agent is good (for undisclosed reasons). I think it just adds to the noise of our industry that reusable patterns and standards don&#
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7mo ago
Yeah honestly I've been racking my brain about the same question (where can I move on to). HN has been my home for learning about all sorts of things for 10+ years but blockchain + AI has just killed all interesting discussion that can
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7mo ago
Every day I feel closer to leaving this industry when I see articles like this. Is software even a real industry with patterns, safety, design, performance, review, etc. Or are we just a hype generating machine that's happy to ship the
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7mo ago
In my experience the lack of joy or difficulty with tests is almost always that the test environment is usually different enough from the real environment that you end up needing to kind of stretch your code to fit into the test env instead
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7mo ago
Most likely the headline was written by an LLM so the irony was lost on it.
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8mo ago
Ironically I feel like our QA team is busier than ever since most e2e user-ish tests require coordinating tools that is just beyond current LLM capabilities. We are pumping out features faster that require more QA to verify.
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8mo ago
I wonder if that's only really true for "pre-LLM" engineers though. If all you know is prompting maybe there's not a higher quality with more focused that can really be achieved. It might just all meld into a mediocre so
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8mo ago
Thank you for putting this so succinctly, this is what I'm observing as well. Feels like this combination (usually) creates a race to the bottom instead of expansion of new ideas. LLMs kind of feel somewhere in the middle
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8mo ago
This analogy has always been bad any time someone has used it. Compilers directly transform via known algorithms. Vibecoding is literally just random probabilistic mapping between unknown inputs and outputs on an unknown domain. Feels like
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8mo ago
There has been a very public announcement that OpenAI will start exploring ads in their models https://openai.com/index/our-approach-to-advertising-and-exp...
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8mo ago
To be fair there seems to be a weird dissonance between the marketing (fire your workers because AI can do everything now) and the reality (actually you need to spend time and effort and expertise to setup a good environment for AI tools an
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8mo ago
I would think this is reasonable. My general understanding at Amazon is that things are expected to work via API boundaries (not quite the case at Google).
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8mo ago
Googler opinions are my own. If agentic coding worked as well as people claimed on large codebases I would be seeing a massive shift at my Job... Im really not seeing it. We have access to pretty much all the latest and greatest internally
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8mo ago
Just wanted to say I've felt very similarly recently. Honestly feels like we need a place to continue to discuss post-tech career paths for mid-career engineers. I've been considering becoming an electrician but it is also quite a
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8mo ago
That argument seems completely nullified by the fact that the president unilaterally changes his mind on tariffs every other day and setting up a manufacturing basis can take 10+ years. Seems safer for many business to just continue to oper
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8mo ago
I hate to say it but I completely agree, don't want to be a downer I'm sure OPs project is cool, but I legitimately could not understand what it was based on this landing page. No videos, demos or details.
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9mo ago
This is a really great idea going to try this out. I similarly just cannot mentally stand reviewing vibe coding PRs all day, but this sounds genuinely useful.
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9mo ago
This idea sounds somewhat flawed to me based on the large amount of evidence that LLMs need huge amounts of data to properly converge during their training. There is just not enough available material from previous decades to trust that the
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9mo ago
This isn't exactly an answer to your question but I've experienced some efficiency gains in using AI agents for pre-reviewing my PRs and getting it to create tests. You still get to maintain the core code and maintain understandab
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9mo ago
There is a phrase I've heard a number of times in my career that I find relevant here. "There is nothing more permanent than a temporary demo"
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10mo ago
Googler, opinion is my own. Working on our mega huge code basis with lots of custom tooling and bleeding edge stuff hasn't been the best for for AI generated code compared to most companies. I do think AI as a rubber ducky / resea
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10mo ago
This is literally it. High upside (if the AI manages to complete the task it is a time save), relatively low downside (not getting stuck in these AI feedback loops that are ultimately a time waste). Seems odd to me that people spend so much
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11mo ago
I've definitely seen a number of files where the implementation is maybe like 500 LOC and the test file is 10000+ LOC. I agree rigidly defining exactly what the code does through tests is harder than people think.
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