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by 2colours 5mo ago
I think the question still deserves a proper answer.
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by 2colours 6mo ago
This is indeed not at all about his code. I don't care what he thinks of vaccines and COVID - I just as much don't care what Linus Torvalds thinks about these things. They are damn programmers. Their business is to ship reliable,
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Is this "the Raku community" in 2026?(gist.github.com)
3 points by 2colours 6mo ago|1 comments
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by 2colours 6mo ago
I got permanently banned from the Raku community rather silently. What happened, what is the common history, and honestly, what is the path forward for those who stay. This post is mostly meant to reach out to the community itself from this
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by 2colours 9mo ago
It's a bit ironic that now we went down the static rabbit hole so much that we don't realize it's more the opposite: by adding more to your language and compiler to enforce static checks, you turn the compiler itself more and
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by 2colours 2y ago
I wonder where you got that impression from. For me as well, it's rather the overboard lecturing response that seemed like an invocation of "Trevors axiom". By the way, what even defines "simply a blog post"? That&#
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by 2colours 3y ago
Some diversity doesn't hurt, though. On my keyboard, it's actually easier to type than the backslash for starters.
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by 2colours 3y ago
Maybe a fast way but is it a fair or even helpful way, if you recognize that it "quickly became a bad name for the project"?
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by 2colours 3y ago
So following your logic, "some of the worst" includes the vast majority of actually used languages and tools. Must be cool to be on the special side. :)
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by 2colours 3y ago
Taking a look at the bigger picture, it does indeed seem like the Perl philosophy lost to the Python philosophy overall. Looking at the hip n cool languages, not just Python for scripting but surely Go and to some extent Rust as well for na
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by 2colours 3y ago
The problem isn't whether the conclusions you draw are favorable or not, it's that they are not legitimate. It's getting tiresome that I have to repeat it: I'm not at all arguing either in favor of Perl, or against the &
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by 2colours 3y ago
> Lists are given to the reader in angle brackets and printed in parentheses, or at least that's how it looks. I suppose the other possibility is that these are actually different types, but I'm not sure that's better. Abo
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by 2colours 3y ago
> The apparent variance between list syntax accepted by the reader and emitted by the printer Could you provide an actual example for this? I suspect this is a simple misunderstanding. > 'o' for function composition? Square
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by 2colours 3y ago
It would be invaluable feedback if you could point out what you find so bizarre? I mean, the "let's define some ad-hoc postcircumfix operator" is a weird flex for sure but otherwise? I could only see basic non-magic subroutin
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by 2colours 3y ago
I don't know, this is "second-hand intel" for me, pretty sure I read it in a very old article from someone of the likes of Carl Mäsak, Moritz Lenz or another early-day Rakudo contributor...
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by 2colours 3y ago
Jonathan Worthington has been much going on and off in the recent years. He still had one big optimization project that got completed in 2021 - the new dispatch mechanism - but I don't know about the benchmarks and I doubt it would hel
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by 2colours 3y ago
From what I heard, it half inspired Moose actually.
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by 2colours 3y ago
Have to agree with this one, and also, there is something that I think is easy to forget until you actually face code that has been worked on by dozens of people of completely random backgrounds, over decades: your wisdom doesn't nec
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by 2colours 3y ago
Yes, and those claims might have even been real (also, Perl still lags behind on Unicode stuff, or so I heard?)... the thing we like much less to talk about is that there just needs to be somebody to make those optimizations happen. Work on
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by 2colours 3y ago
I guess that all depends on what you consider bizarre parts. You of all people must have your own weird reason to say this out of the blue, though.
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by 2colours 3y ago
The difficulty of reading Perl is probably overclaimed and overrepresented. Let's not forget that we are comparing a pretty darn low-level language to a fairly high-level one. And regarding design principles, I think the comparison is
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by 2colours 3y ago
You probably know it well but let me elaborate a bit more "for the sake of the audience": - the left handside is evaluated into a value (let's symbolize this value with $lhs) - this value is passed into the expression on th
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by 2colours 3y ago
Oh yes, Bruce Gray was a major influence for me as well a couple of years ago. He often participates in the "Raku Study Group" meetings as well - these are very broad and informal meetings every second Sunday but around the end, B
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by 2colours 3y ago
Well I'm saying that "you just didn't bother to learn it, duh" is not an equally valid argument for different languages; it's much less valid for Perl than it would be for Python. It rewards your efforts much less.
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by 2colours 3y ago
Just imagine writing bash incorporating a sed script for something you can do with 20 keystrokes, then migrating the sed part to awk until it reaches 20 lines, then rewrite the whole thing to Python or somehow bridge it to the shell script
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by 2colours 3y ago
Well, that's at least an actual argument, even though POSIX regex would have never proven so useful in a variety of use cases. Other than that, I'm completely shocked that somebody would praise sed or awk in well into the 21st cen
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by 2colours 3y ago
What is the reason for that? I think they should be long gone for the lack of proper data structures, if nothing else.
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by 2colours 3y ago
This topic is akin to "holy wars" and since I used to think the same way (still do to some extent), I would like you to at least consider another aspect: the effort it takes to "grok the language and its idioms" is vast