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by 20k 5d ago
Nobody wants to admit just how bad the bot problem is, because it starts to dig into the fact that advertising isn't nearly as effective as advertisers let on
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by 20k 6d ago
Especially after they committed textbook misconduct by trying to purge one of the paper authors because he worked for a competitor
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by 20k 6d ago
The researchers apparently spend a year or so working on this, and it builds off significant previous work, so it seems like it was a pretty significant amount of work that OpenAI may have trained on I'd love to see an in depth analysi
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by 20k 6d ago
Because the core of the issue is that it may well not have solved it, but instead plagiarised the significant step of the result from other researchers That's why nobody's talking about how impressive this is, because its not near
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by 20k 7d ago
The prompts they put in are the equivalent
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by 20k 8d ago
The terms of service does not dictate what constitutes plagiarism
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by 20k 8d ago
"The route to the Clay problem through a smooth force, options c and d in Fefferman’s statement of the problem, is the route Luis and Diego opened and the one Levent and I had quietly chosen to attack. Almost nobody else I know of was
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by 20k 8d ago
OpenAI have admitted their new model they used was trained on prompts at around the time that researcher was working on it, so it seems self evident that it was used as part of the millennium solution
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by 20k 8d ago
If I stole someone's private research notes and republished them loosely in my own words, they'd correctly be pissed This was unpublished research that was stolen, and constitutes plagiarism and academic fraud by even the strictes
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by 20k 8d ago
This is the literal opposite of progress: stealing from people genuinely creating, and stealing the money they should earn
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by 20k 8d ago
We're having to rediscover in real time the extremely hard way, why enabling mass theft is so incredibly damaging to society. This is literally why we need a functional copyright system If theft becomes more profitable than genuine cre
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by 20k 8d ago
OpenAI trained on their private unpublished research notes effectively, while also trying to get one of the paper authors fired
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by 20k 8d ago
That doesn't make it fine. We should not excuse this behaviour just because its rampant already, especially when it comes to such a serious prize
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by 20k 8d ago
That does not make it ethical
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by 20k 8d ago
This is textbook plagiarism, scooping their result knowing that the research was part of the training data
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by 20k 8d ago
The biggest issue we aren't talking about is, of course, that those two researchers were not the only two using ChatGPT to work on the problem at the time
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by 20k 8d ago
I just want to add to this another update by the author as well: https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/11723647135247030... Which seems to be very directly accusing OpenAI of plagiarism
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by 20k 8d ago
I mean, its years worth of hard work by multiple researchers it would seem, which OpenAI simply lifted and claimed as its own. These researchers weren't just letting OpenAI burn tokens while sipping martinis on a beach
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by 20k 8d ago
OpenAI's T&Cs let them steal your children I'd suspect, that doesn't make it morally correct
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by 20k 8d ago
The researchers are pretty directly accusing OpenAI of plagiarism https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/11723647135247030...
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by 20k 8d ago
So, better to make that walled garden <checks> OpenAI? One of the scummiest companies on earth?
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by 20k 8d ago
https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/11723647135247030... He very much is accusing them of stealing his work
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by 20k 8d ago
They kind of did though, they were hoping to keep the fact that they may well have plagiarised these researchers unpublished work quiet. They did not want this to turn into a scandal about the fact that they appear to be training on prompts
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by 20k 8d ago
Yeah well, its easy to do if you steal someone elses work and then try to threaten them into staying quiet about it Edit: OpenAI have now admitted they were training on prompts at the time they made their breakthrough: https://ma
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by 20k 8d ago
Are you joking? This is evidence that OpenAI is committing plagiarism en masse of researchers private work and threatening them into staying quiet to re-present their results as their own. This would be one of the largest scandals of all
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by 20k 8d ago
I mean, its the researchers themselves talking about this https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/11723647135247030...
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by 20k 8d ago
The issue is that if OpenAI is training on prompts generally, what we really have is the first fully automated luxury plagiarism machine. In that it isn't able to genuinely solve problems, but merely steal the work that other mathemati
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by 20k 8d ago
Drama aside, this solution would be a counterexample disproving the smoothness postulate, which means that it leads to nothing new unfortunately. We already had working solutions to navier stokes, the only thing we didn't know is if th
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by 20k 8d ago
It isn't a priority dispute, the more concerning allegation is that OpenAI may be training their models on prompts that mathematicians were using to solve this problem, and then surprise surprise OpenAI were able to replicate that work
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by 20k 9d ago
>I asked whether the model had been trained on, or had access to, our sessions in Codex, into which we had been putting all our drafts for the whole of this project. I was told the model did not look up user data. I asked again, about tr

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