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I really, REALLY want the cops to be at fault here, but I just don't know about this one. The sound seems to be mostly intact, unless there is some kind of offs

I really, REALLY want the cops to be at fault here, but I just don't know about this one. The sound seems to be mostly intact, unless there is some kind of offset because it does crackle and spit at one point. A lot goes on between the suspect and officer ON camera and I wonder what could've possible happened off camera bad enough to warrant being hidden when what's on the camera is already there. I mean, this guy pulled her out of her car and threw her on the sidewalk because she got a bit snarky over a ticket. Another concern is the absence of a timestamp. This I'm not as worried about because they probably cropped it out. It's definitely understandable, especially for public-facing video to crop out some of more sensitive metadata like time, officer info, car info, etc. It's not nearly as concerning as the video itself. Then there is the case of the actual jumps themselves. What makes me doubt is that they aren't just jump cuts, there's some stutter and back and forth motion for each cut, and there's also some video artifacts for each one. I despise the police, I really do. The very idea of police is repulsive and disturbing, in my opinion. That being said, I think LA Times is definitely suspect here for such a bait-y headline over what looks to be an actual video issue. I mean: "arrest video has continuit problems, anomalies"? No shit, the video is messed up. It also has the entire dialogue between the two leading up to the arrest, it even has a whole other stop from another time! I just don't see the possibility that they are hiding something, when there is so much on tape already.

paublyrne 11y ago
I despise the police, I really do. The very idea of police is repulsive and disturbing, in my opinion. You mean this in an idealistic sense? I was just remembering this morning an old friend who regularly used the word 'pigs' to describe police, and how I found it ridiculous. And I still do. How would a world without police be better than the one we have? It wouldn't. It would be a horrendous place where the strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable. I honestly can't understand your attitude.
- belenos46 11y ago
  As opposed to this one, where only strong, violent, aggressive cops triumph over the vulnerable? Your point is taken, but I feel like it's fundamentally flawed.
  - logicrime 11y ago
    I've had this conversation a hundred times, it ends the same way each time. (He won't get it)
- logicrime 11y ago
  I know you don't understand. I don't call police names just like I don't call any other group of people names. They're still human beings. People should be smart enough to defend themselves and their physical safety. Weak people who call the cops over a bump in the night are digging their grave, handing over their security to the state. You think that the world would be ruled by the violent? Open your eyes, guy. It already is. I'm talking about equalizing the playing field. The weak won't get stronger unless someone is there to show them how to be strong.
  - scotty79 11y ago
    > People should be smart enough to defend themselves and their physical safety. Any third world country there are areas where government can't reach. People fend for themselves there. I don't think that's something we should be striving for. You can visit those places if defending your physical safety is something you like. Just a bit of warring. It's a full time job.
- mosselman 11y ago
  "It would be a horrendous place where the strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable." Only if there WERE violent and aggressive people who take advantage of the vulnerable. You could argue that it would be nice if everybody was nice to each other.
  - scotty79 11y ago
    Trivially satisfied by all the ghost towns.
- pjc50 11y ago
  strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable At their worst, the police can do this. Police following the Peel principles are a great improvement to society. Many of the US's fragmented matrix of police forces have forgotten them and succumbed to lazy racism and target-driven enforcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles
  - bilbo0s 11y ago
    The sad thing is that the deterioration of professionalism among police forces has led to the world that paublyrne described. I mean... in practice... for a large number of Americans... it already IS a world where "strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable". It's just that the "strong, violent and aggressive" are police, or gangs, or your occasional supremacist. I feel bad for certain demographics in the US... but don't really have any sort of realistic solution for their issues. I just wish it wasn't this way.
    - pjc50 11y ago
      It is fixable, once people want to fix it. But that generally only happens once the status quo is seen as really unacceptable. Whenever police violence is brought up, at the moment there are plenty of people willing to say "well she deserved it" or "it didn't happen that way". Enough of them need to be brought round or embarrased into silence. The UK equivalent would be the rebuilding of the Police Service of Northern Ireland to stop it being explicitly sectarian.
    - amyjess 11y ago
      The solution is to aggressively and systematically break the blue code of silence by offering massive incentives for cops to rat out their fellow officers for misbehavior. Science thrives on peer review and making sure members of the community keep each other in check; let's give the police incentives to do that. Also, break the police unions. Make it a felony for police officers to unionize.
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outworlder 11y ago
> I despise the police, I really do. The very idea of police is repulsive and disturbing, in my opinion. Well, come to Brazil, then. Murder rate comparable to modern armed conflicts but hey! Almost no police interactions at all! I've only ever been stopped at checkpoints - and that's their purpose. They might not even show up if you call the emergency number. If you do interact with them, know that there are no dashcams. And even if they are, you'll never ever see their footage. Also, you can't legally own a gun. Let us know how long will it take to change your mind.
- jessaustin 11y ago
  Also, you can't legally own a gun. Is this enforced? By the police? Police who allow all crimes other than the "crime" of armed self-defense seem to match the description "repulsive and disturbing".

paublyrne 11y ago

I despise the police, I really do. The very idea of police is repulsive and disturbing, in my opinion. You mean this in an idealistic sense? I was just remembering this morning an old friend who regularly used the word 'pigs' to describe police, and how I found it ridiculous. And I still do. How would a world without police be better than the one we have? It wouldn't. It would be a horrendous place where the strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable. I honestly can't understand your attitude.

belenos46 11y ago
As opposed to this one, where only strong, violent, aggressive cops triumph over the vulnerable? Your point is taken, but I feel like it's fundamentally flawed.
- logicrime 11y ago
  I've had this conversation a hundred times, it ends the same way each time. (He won't get it)
logicrime 11y ago
I know you don't understand. I don't call police names just like I don't call any other group of people names. They're still human beings. People should be smart enough to defend themselves and their physical safety. Weak people who call the cops over a bump in the night are digging their grave, handing over their security to the state. You think that the world would be ruled by the violent? Open your eyes, guy. It already is. I'm talking about equalizing the playing field. The weak won't get stronger unless someone is there to show them how to be strong.
- scotty79 11y ago
  > People should be smart enough to defend themselves and their physical safety. Any third world country there are areas where government can't reach. People fend for themselves there. I don't think that's something we should be striving for. You can visit those places if defending your physical safety is something you like. Just a bit of warring. It's a full time job.
mosselman 11y ago
"It would be a horrendous place where the strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable." Only if there WERE violent and aggressive people who take advantage of the vulnerable. You could argue that it would be nice if everybody was nice to each other.
- scotty79 11y ago
  Trivially satisfied by all the ghost towns.
pjc50 11y ago
strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable At their worst, the police can do this. Police following the Peel principles are a great improvement to society. Many of the US's fragmented matrix of police forces have forgotten them and succumbed to lazy racism and target-driven enforcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles
- bilbo0s 11y ago
  The sad thing is that the deterioration of professionalism among police forces has led to the world that paublyrne described. I mean... in practice... for a large number of Americans... it already IS a world where "strong, the violent, the aggressive, triumph over the vulnerable". It's just that the "strong, violent and aggressive" are police, or gangs, or your occasional supremacist. I feel bad for certain demographics in the US... but don't really have any sort of realistic solution for their issues. I just wish it wasn't this way.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    It is fixable, once people want to fix it. But that generally only happens once the status quo is seen as really unacceptable. Whenever police violence is brought up, at the moment there are plenty of people willing to say "well she deserved it" or "it didn't happen that way". Enough of them need to be brought round or embarrased into silence. The UK equivalent would be the rebuilding of the Police Service of Northern Ireland to stop it being explicitly sectarian.
  - amyjess 11y ago
    The solution is to aggressively and systematically break the blue code of silence by offering massive incentives for cops to rat out their fellow officers for misbehavior. Science thrives on peer review and making sure members of the community keep each other in check; let's give the police incentives to do that. Also, break the police unions. Make it a felony for police officers to unionize.

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outworlder 11y ago

> I despise the police, I really do. The very idea of police is repulsive and disturbing, in my opinion. Well, come to Brazil, then. Murder rate comparable to modern armed conflicts but hey! Almost no police interactions at all! I've only ever been stopped at checkpoints - and that's their purpose. They might not even show up if you call the emergency number. If you do interact with them, know that there are no dashcams. And even if they are, you'll never ever see their footage. Also, you can't legally own a gun. Let us know how long will it take to change your mind.

jessaustin 11y ago
Also, you can't legally own a gun. Is this enforced? By the police? Police who allow all crimes other than the "crime" of armed self-defense seem to match the description "repulsive and disturbing".