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Show HN: Compare LGBT Rights Between Any Country, State, or Province

50 points by danlev 11y ago

dom96 11y ago
The text box for inputting countries seems to be a bit broken. Seems to stop giving suggestions after some time or it just me?
- danlev 11y ago
  I've run into that issue a few times but I thought I fixed it. Before, reloading seemed to have fixed it. I'll look into it though. Thanks for pointing it out! :)
DanBC 11y ago
This page says homosexual activity has been legal in the UK since 2000. Where is it getting that, and which part of the UK does it apply to? Same sex sexual activity was legalised in England and Wales in 1967; in Scotland in 1981; and 1982 for NI. The age of consent was equalised in 2001 (for England, Wales, and Scotland) and 2009 for NI.
- Squarel 11y ago
  If you look at each country individually within the UK, it shows the correct details. I suspect it is because in the original law, there were nuances such as "The privacy restrictions of the Act meant a third person could not be present and that gay men could not have sex in a hotel. These restrictions were overturned in the European Court of Human Rights in 2000"
- reubenmorais 11y ago
  If you click on "Details" under the entry it'll show you the source, the user who added it, and the number of upvotes. It seems to be crowdsourced.
- danlev 11y ago
  I'm looking into that right now. Not sure why both of those entries are referring to the age of consent rather than simply homosexual activity being legal/illegal (the both received quite a few accurate votes too). Age of consent has a separate section further down the page.
pearjuice 11y ago
This is Hacker News, not ProductHunt for Social Justice Warriors.
fiatjaf 11y ago
Why, for "Conversion therapy", being banned is the best status possible, according to this website?
- danlev 11y ago
  "Conversion therapy" is a controversial therapy used to "convert" gay people "back to straight." The process is almost always heavily influenced by religion, and can be very harmful, psychologically. Some gay people are forced into this against their will, by their parents. There have been cases where people have committed suicide or had suicidal thoughts. The organizations who run the therapy are super sketchy as well. Wikipedia has some extensive information on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
  - nickysielicki 11y ago
    Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. Whether you want to admit it or not, some people commit themselves to these centers and come out straight / believing they're straight/cisgendered/etc. Their motivations are generally because they come from a culture/family that is not accepting of who they really are. They themselves probably hate who they truly are. So they pay thousands of dollars for the chance of tricking themselves into believing that things are different. Does it commonly fail? Of course. But does there exist someone in the world who is living a happier life because they attended this therapy? I believe it's possible. And for that reason, I think banning it is wrong. I imagine that choosing between being accepted by your community/family and being unhindered in expressing your sexuality is a very difficult and personal decision. I don't think any lawmaker has the right to make it for you.
    - byuu 11y ago
      > Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. The problem is parents forcing it on their kids. Set the minimum age to 22 or so (where most kids will be finished with college, since most kids are dependent on their parents for that now too), and it would be a lot more palatable.
lukasm 11y ago
Homosexuality was never illegal in Poland. It wasn't regulated before 1932.
- danlev 11y ago
  The site is crowdsourced, so if you click "Accurate?: No" on anything incorrect (on a country's page), you can supply details so that our moderators can look into it. :) Thanks!
auganov 11y ago
Would be cool for the "Equality Index" to be 2 or multi dimensional. I feel like laws on adoption, gender/sex change, age of consent, blood donations, marriage etc. fall on the absolute/objective liberty spectrum. While stuff like anti-discrimination laws, housing policies, conversion therapy bans etc are interventionist regulations. Also needs more categories/granularity. http://get.lgbt http://get.lgbt you should get one :D
- deleted 11y ago
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radiodario 11y ago
spain yusss
LGBT_2000 11y ago
Amazing.
personjerry 11y ago
> Any Country Off the top of my head, where's Japan and China?
- Trezoid 11y ago
  Here: http://equaldex.com/compare/china/japan http://equaldex.com/compare/china/japan
- bratch 11y ago
  I can't even find my own home, although people do like to debate whether it is a country, state or province.
  - danlev 11y ago
    What country is that? Every country is included on the site, however, provinces aren't always available for the more minor countries.
    - bratch 11y ago
      Jersey.
- danlev 11y ago
  You can simply type it in? Are you running into an issue typing it in? Or just visit http://equaldex.com/region/china http://equaldex.com/region/china or http://equaldex.com/region/japan http://equaldex.com/region/japan and compare from the sidebar there.
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anExcitedBeast 11y ago
I like it. Would be cool to apply the concept to more ideas, like free speech, religious/atheist freedom, gun rights, economic freedom/protections.
heynk 11y ago
On the 'comparison' pages, the Equality Index score is listed as a horizontal bar chart, which makes at-a-glance comparison impossible. If you need to keep it as a bar, please consider making them vertical, so you can easily compare visually. Currently, I'm only able to compare that score based on color, so places with the same color aren't comparable on that metric. Personally, I'd prefer if you just put your number there. Of course, I can just keep using right click -> Inspect Element :)
- danlev 11y ago
  Great point about the Equality Index being vertical -- that's something I've been considering. Regarding it being represented as a number, I originally wanted to include that, however, the way the Equality Index is calculated is pretty rudimentary. Creating a number representing the "amount of equality" people have is going to be pretty arbitrary, especially without enough public opinion data. Eventually, once it becomes more sophisticated/accurate, and I include more data points and surveys, maybe I will reconsider. For now, I purposely left it as an unlabeled bar so that it's a little clearer that it's a "rough visualization."

50 points by danlev 11y ago

dom96 11y ago

The text box for inputting countries seems to be a bit broken. Seems to stop giving suggestions after some time or it just me?

danlev 11y ago
I've run into that issue a few times but I thought I fixed it. Before, reloading seemed to have fixed it. I'll look into it though. Thanks for pointing it out! :)

DanBC 11y ago

This page says homosexual activity has been legal in the UK since 2000. Where is it getting that, and which part of the UK does it apply to? Same sex sexual activity was legalised in England and Wales in 1967; in Scotland in 1981; and 1982 for NI. The age of consent was equalised in 2001 (for England, Wales, and Scotland) and 2009 for NI.

Squarel 11y ago
If you look at each country individually within the UK, it shows the correct details. I suspect it is because in the original law, there were nuances such as "The privacy restrictions of the Act meant a third person could not be present and that gay men could not have sex in a hotel. These restrictions were overturned in the European Court of Human Rights in 2000"
reubenmorais 11y ago
If you click on "Details" under the entry it'll show you the source, the user who added it, and the number of upvotes. It seems to be crowdsourced.
danlev 11y ago
I'm looking into that right now. Not sure why both of those entries are referring to the age of consent rather than simply homosexual activity being legal/illegal (the both received quite a few accurate votes too). Age of consent has a separate section further down the page.

pearjuice 11y ago

This is Hacker News, not ProductHunt for Social Justice Warriors.

fiatjaf 11y ago

Why, for "Conversion therapy", being banned is the best status possible, according to this website?

danlev 11y ago
"Conversion therapy" is a controversial therapy used to "convert" gay people "back to straight." The process is almost always heavily influenced by religion, and can be very harmful, psychologically. Some gay people are forced into this against their will, by their parents. There have been cases where people have committed suicide or had suicidal thoughts. The organizations who run the therapy are super sketchy as well. Wikipedia has some extensive information on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
- nickysielicki 11y ago
  Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. Whether you want to admit it or not, some people commit themselves to these centers and come out straight / believing they're straight/cisgendered/etc. Their motivations are generally because they come from a culture/family that is not accepting of who they really are. They themselves probably hate who they truly are. So they pay thousands of dollars for the chance of tricking themselves into believing that things are different. Does it commonly fail? Of course. But does there exist someone in the world who is living a happier life because they attended this therapy? I believe it's possible. And for that reason, I think banning it is wrong. I imagine that choosing between being accepted by your community/family and being unhindered in expressing your sexuality is a very difficult and personal decision. I don't think any lawmaker has the right to make it for you.
  - byuu 11y ago
    > Banning snake oil is never a part of a free society. The problem is parents forcing it on their kids. Set the minimum age to 22 or so (where most kids will be finished with college, since most kids are dependent on their parents for that now too), and it would be a lot more palatable.

lukasm 11y ago

Homosexuality was never illegal in Poland. It wasn't regulated before 1932.

danlev 11y ago
The site is crowdsourced, so if you click "Accurate?: No" on anything incorrect (on a country's page), you can supply details so that our moderators can look into it. :) Thanks!

auganov 11y ago

Would be cool for the "Equality Index" to be 2 or multi dimensional. I feel like laws on adoption, gender/sex change, age of consent, blood donations, marriage etc. fall on the absolute/objective liberty spectrum. While stuff like anti-discrimination laws, housing policies, conversion therapy bans etc are interventionist regulations. Also needs more categories/granularity. http://get.lgbt http://get.lgbt you should get one :D

deleted 11y ago
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radiodario 11y ago

spain yusss

LGBT_2000 11y ago

Amazing.

personjerry 11y ago

> Any Country Off the top of my head, where's Japan and China?

Trezoid 11y ago
Here: http://equaldex.com/compare/china/japan http://equaldex.com/compare/china/japan
bratch 11y ago
I can't even find my own home, although people do like to debate whether it is a country, state or province.
- danlev 11y ago
  What country is that? Every country is included on the site, however, provinces aren't always available for the more minor countries.
  - bratch 11y ago
    Jersey.
danlev 11y ago
You can simply type it in? Are you running into an issue typing it in? Or just visit http://equaldex.com/region/china http://equaldex.com/region/china or http://equaldex.com/region/japan http://equaldex.com/region/japan and compare from the sidebar there.

deleted 11y ago

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anExcitedBeast 11y ago

I like it. Would be cool to apply the concept to more ideas, like free speech, religious/atheist freedom, gun rights, economic freedom/protections.

heynk 11y ago

On the 'comparison' pages, the Equality Index score is listed as a horizontal bar chart, which makes at-a-glance comparison impossible. If you need to keep it as a bar, please consider making them vertical, so you can easily compare visually. Currently, I'm only able to compare that score based on color, so places with the same color aren't comparable on that metric. Personally, I'd prefer if you just put your number there. Of course, I can just keep using right click -> Inspect Element :)

danlev 11y ago
Great point about the Equality Index being vertical -- that's something I've been considering. Regarding it being represented as a number, I originally wanted to include that, however, the way the Equality Index is calculated is pretty rudimentary. Creating a number representing the "amount of equality" people have is going to be pretty arbitrary, especially without enough public opinion data. Eventually, once it becomes more sophisticated/accurate, and I include more data points and surveys, maybe I will reconsider. For now, I purposely left it as an unlabeled bar so that it's a little clearer that it's a "rough visualization."