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It is the same as NYU did in 70s. But now NYU merge NYU-Poly as its school of engineering. I am always amazed at what criteria are used by school administrator

It is the same as NYU did in 70s. But now NYU merge NYU-Poly as its school of engineering. I am always amazed at what criteria are used by school administrators to decide which departments to fund. It is very surprised to me as a foreigner born that U.S. doesn't need engineers from Ivy League....

goldfeld 11y ago
That's because the Ivy League engineers have come out of Germany, China, India, and ostensibly out of Russia and other ex-soviet block members.
kelukelugames 11y ago
Ivy League schools breed leaders not us over paid worker bees. Only engineers complain about working under non-engineers. Lawyers at law firms don't have that problem.
- chris_b 11y ago
  As a senior at Yale right now, and seeing what most of my fellow students are going into next year, the Ivy League is great at pumping out over paid worker bees. See here http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/02/13/finance-continues-to-draw-yalies/ http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/02/13/finance-continues-t... for the numbers going into finance (~20%) and just anecdotally I would guess there are only slightly less going into consulting. Finally, there are a not insignificant number (maybe 10%) doing some sort of engineering.
  - kelukelugames 11y ago
    That's true. Consultants and bankers are also overpaid worker bees. Edit: but at least they report to other consultants and bankers.
    - smeyer 11y ago
      I graduated from Harvard, and like chris_b said with Yale, a not insignificant number of people went into some sort of engineering. It's not the plurality career choice, but it's not like the field is some sort of pariah at Ivy League schools.
      - kelukelugames 11y ago
        Because Ivy -> high social status engineering -> relatively low social status
- prestonbriggs 11y ago
  Well, no. In the US, lawyers can't work for non-lawyers; that is, they can't work in a position where their legal judgement is subject to review by a non-lawyer. Part of their code of professional responsibility.
  - arjunnarayan 11y ago
    How do you square that with General Counsels who report to the CEO/Board?
- mturmon 11y ago
  This is poor analysis. Princeton, Cornell, and Penn have had strong engineering programs for many decades now, and Brown has had a very strong competence in Applied Math. Your broad brush strokes regarding "Ivies" and lawyers are just mugging for stereotypes.
tikhonj 11y ago
The Ivy League is basically a historical accident. The US has a whole bunch of other incredibly strong engineering schools, from newer private institutions (Stanford, MIT, CMU) to top public schools (Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech). (These are also perfectly competitive in other subjects from English to pure mathematics.) Historically, engineering and CS was not a priority for the older Ivies, and it was never an issue for anyone else because there were so many strong alternatives. This department expansion is certainly good for Yale, but the effect it will have on the top engineering education in the US as a whole is marginal.
_delirium 11y ago
NYU's case was somewhat forced by financial problems in the '70s. They had been maintaining two campuses for decades (one in the Bronx, and one in Manhattan), and in 1973 sold the Bronx campus along with some of the programs that were housed there (most notably Engineering), to try to sort out the budget problems. Nowadays NYU is overflowing with cash, so was able to "acquire" the former Brooklyn Poly to get back into engineering.

goldfeld 11y ago

That's because the Ivy League engineers have come out of Germany, China, India, and ostensibly out of Russia and other ex-soviet block members.

kelukelugames 11y ago

Ivy League schools breed leaders not us over paid worker bees. Only engineers complain about working under non-engineers. Lawyers at law firms don't have that problem.

chris_b 11y ago
As a senior at Yale right now, and seeing what most of my fellow students are going into next year, the Ivy League is great at pumping out over paid worker bees. See here http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/02/13/finance-continues-to-draw-yalies/ http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/02/13/finance-continues-t... for the numbers going into finance (~20%) and just anecdotally I would guess there are only slightly less going into consulting. Finally, there are a not insignificant number (maybe 10%) doing some sort of engineering.
- kelukelugames 11y ago
  That's true. Consultants and bankers are also overpaid worker bees. Edit: but at least they report to other consultants and bankers.
  - smeyer 11y ago
    I graduated from Harvard, and like chris_b said with Yale, a not insignificant number of people went into some sort of engineering. It's not the plurality career choice, but it's not like the field is some sort of pariah at Ivy League schools.
    - kelukelugames 11y ago
      Because Ivy -> high social status engineering -> relatively low social status
prestonbriggs 11y ago
Well, no. In the US, lawyers can't work for non-lawyers; that is, they can't work in a position where their legal judgement is subject to review by a non-lawyer. Part of their code of professional responsibility.
- arjunnarayan 11y ago
  How do you square that with General Counsels who report to the CEO/Board?
mturmon 11y ago
This is poor analysis. Princeton, Cornell, and Penn have had strong engineering programs for many decades now, and Brown has had a very strong competence in Applied Math. Your broad brush strokes regarding "Ivies" and lawyers are just mugging for stereotypes.

tikhonj 11y ago

The Ivy League is basically a historical accident. The US has a whole bunch of other incredibly strong engineering schools, from newer private institutions (Stanford, MIT, CMU) to top public schools (Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech). (These are also perfectly competitive in other subjects from English to pure mathematics.) Historically, engineering and CS was not a priority for the older Ivies, and it was never an issue for anyone else because there were so many strong alternatives. This department expansion is certainly good for Yale, but the effect it will have on the top engineering education in the US as a whole is marginal.

_delirium 11y ago

NYU's case was somewhat forced by financial problems in the '70s. They had been maintaining two campuses for decades (one in the Bronx, and one in Manhattan), and in 1973 sold the Bronx campus along with some of the programs that were housed there (most notably Engineering), to try to sort out the budget problems. Nowadays NYU is overflowing with cash, so was able to "acquire" the former Brooklyn Poly to get back into engineering.