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Find salaries paid at companies using foreign worker data
- kelukelugames 12y agoI love these things. Transparency in salary information gives the employees more power. I know the site is down at the moment but it's worth it to bookmark and come back later. Make sure you set the search fields to 2013 or 2012 to 2013 to remove stale salaries. You don't want to negotiate using data from 2009. ;) Here is comparing google to microsoft to amazon in Seattle. The gaps are pretty wide even for college hire SDE salaries. Go demand a pay raise today! http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=amazon&location=seattle,%20WA&start_year=2012&end_year=2013&page=8 http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=amazon&location... http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=google&location=Kirkland%2C+WA&start_year=2012&end_year=2013 http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=google&location... http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=microsoft&location=redmond,%20wa&start_year=2012&end_year=2013&page=24 http://www.salar.ly/salaries/?title=&company=microsoft&locat... Site is down by they are looking at it: https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/507231579752902656 https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/507231579752902656
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- JimboOmega 12y agoLet's say you're being underpaid; what is the right strategy to take? I don't want to poison the working relationship with people above me.
- danielweber 12y agoSchedule a meeting with supervisor. At the meeting, bring up how well the company is doing and how well you are doing. Ask for a raise. You don't need to say where you got your number, or complain that you were underpaid before. Go in knowing your market salary -- which they probably know anyway. EDIT This isn't a surefire plan; as the sibling comment says, sometimes you have to leave to get paid your market.
- vonmoltke 12y agoI loved the line a manager at my previous employer gave us circa 2011 about our terrible raises: "Well, the company is doing well, but since the economy sucks and unemployment is at 8% the company feels like we should be fortunate to have jobs and thus doesn't feel like they will lose anyone over salary." It should be noted that, from 2006 until I finally got out in 2012 I saw two people leave for outside opportunities, out of a program that had over 300 people. More people retired than quit. Maybe management just had them that well pegged.
- seanflyon 12y agoThat's when you should get another offer. Either you put yourself in a great negotiating position, or you realize that they were right and feel fortunate to have your current job.
- kyrra 12y ago(this is assuming a large company) Raise an issue with them that you feel you're being underpaid. I've done this in 1-on-1 meetings with managers in the past. If they think you're worth keeping, they will do what they can to give you a raise when the time comes. But keep in mind that other people on their team maybe be underpaid more than you, so they might try to correct those people's salaries first. At least from what I've seen, managers at some level (your direct manager, or their manager) are given some numbers of dollars to increase the salary of the employees. They have to choose how to distribute that between their people. Depending on the company, it may take you moving to a different company to get what you're worth. Most companies know that transitioning jobs is difficult and a lot of people won't go through the effort. Because of this they will underpay people that they don't think are going to leave. If you want to try, apply around, interview, and get a job offer at another company. Present it to your manager and see what they say. Some companies will counter-offer, while others have policies where they will not counter-offer. Story: a friend was offered a contracting position with the same company he already worked for (from the contracting firm, the company didn't know yet), that would be paying far more than he was making. He didn't take it and his manager didn't do anything to correct his salary. But it was pretty funny to see.
- kelukelugames 12y agohere is a donation page to show our gratitude. https://gratipay.com/roguelynn/ https://gratipay.com/roguelynn/
- kassner 12y agoServer Error (500) in any search
- kelukelugames 12y agohttps://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/507231579752902656 https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/507231579752902656 They are fixing it!
- sp_ 12y agoThank you for the note. Whenever salar.ly is linked from somewhere popular I have to spin up more Heroku instances.
- winslow 12y agoCan't heroku do that automatically and scale to meet demand? I thought that was one of the selling points of "the cloud"?
- sp_ 12y agoPossibly, but not on the free tier. Anyway, our current plan can only handle 20 concurrent connections to Postgres and I am not planning to pay more to satisfy spikes.
- shostack 12y agoCan you clarify on why not? If you get interest and a big news hit, isn't it important to you to capitalize on that as much as possible and leave a good impression so people come back to use your service? If you don't have the funds that's one thing and I get it, but seems like spikes are exactly the kind of thing worth spending on.
- sp_ 12y agoThe website a weekend project, not something I care for whether people use it. On average it has five to ten visitors a day unless linked to from somewhere big which only happens like twice a year.
- MaxwellM 12y agoLynn, FYI - these numbers reported to the DoL are not necessarily accurate and thus should only be used as a ballpark estimate. They are likely to be overestimates of actual numbers. Having seen H1B document submitted to the DoL, I know that firms misrepresent these numbers. An H1B is granted to immigrants for positions that ostensibly couldn't be filled by US citizens, this is rarely the case. Firms have to show that a job application was life for a certain amount of time and they were unable to fill it. Finally they need to claim that because the position is so hard to fill, they are willing to pay above prevailing wage. See H1B LCA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa#Labor_Condition_Application http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa#Labor_Condition_Appli... They however do not need to prove that the claimed wage is what is actually being paid. These numbers are thus overestimates and I would guess >10% off the mark. That said, it is obviously illegal to misrepresent these numbers and some firms are more scrupulous than others.
- kelukelugames 12y agoThe numbers match everything I've gathered from talking to employees, my own paystubs, and job offers I got this year. I also know foreign co-workers who always report their current pay when job hunting because they have looked themselves up on similar sites.
- dpritchett 12y agoImperfect data is still useful in a negotiation. Present it with minimal comment as a negotiating point and let the counterparty poke holes in it if they so choose. Don't undermine yourself! Sure the large tech employers are going to have better salary databases than an individual, but that doesn't mean there's no point in trying to arm yourself with relevant info.
- badusername 12y agoOverestimates seems to be a wrong label, having gone through several H1B visa and transfer applications myself. I would say that most lawyers simply fill in the actual amount.
- untog 12y agoAs an H1B employee, I can assure you that the amount on my LCA was the same as I was paid. That said, it is important that people understand what these figures are - they are not actual technically salaries.
- buchols 12y agoTitle is not accurate. This site is actually a great server-error generator, but no sign of any salary data.
- momchenr 12y agoThis site is getting CRUSHED...
- s_m 12y agoi also like http://h1bwage.com/ http://h1bwage.com/ for this purpose
- johnward 12y agoIs that data also pulled from the DOL? If it is accurate then my employer seems to be a liar.
- syntern 12y agoI'm not sure about the data source, but my query on my situation seems to be accurate (base salary was roughly matching).
- johnward 12y agoAs a citizen the salaries are almost double my rate for same position/same company.
- syntern 12y agoIs it a large or small company? How long have you been there? Are you looking only at the base salary part? (e.g. for the reference my total compensation is almost double than my base salary)...
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- johnward 12y agoI've decided that due to company policies I shouldn't really say much more.
- mjmahone17 12y agoIt is illegal for companies to retaliate for your discussing your salary (though probably not for calling them a "liar"). Look up the National Labor Relations Act. That being said, you can be fired for things that you're legally allowed to discuss, and then it becomes an issue of whether you're willing to pay lawyer's fees to sue. Which is not usually a great situation to be in.
- foobarqux 12y agoNote that this excludes bonuses so is not helpful for positions where performance pay is a large part of compensation.
- johnward 12y agoCan anyone post a link to the original data source? I'd like to verify this is in fact DOL data. It's much easier to go to an employer with data from an official government source than it is from some site, even if that site claims it got it's data from the source.
- sp_ 12y agoYou can find the data on http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/quarterlydata.cfm http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/quarterlydata.cfm and the data for previous years at http://www.flcdatacenter.com/caseh1b.aspx http://www.flcdatacenter.com/caseh1b.aspx
- psuter 12y agoIf you enjoy 70M+ Excel files: http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/docs/py2014q3/H-1B_FY14_Q3.xlsx http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/docs/py2014q3/H-1B_FY...
- johnward 12y agoThe PERM_FY* excel files seem to include this data: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=xls&as_rights=#as_qdr=all&hl=en&q=PERM+site:foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov+filetype:xlsx https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_...
- psuter 12y agoNote that (if I'm not mistaken), PERM is the program for green card applicants. I would imagine that GC applicants are on average more senior and better paid than H1Bs applicants. To answer your question below, you can get the H1B data through http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/performancedata.cfm -> disclosure -> LCA.
- johnward 12y agoHow did you find the h1b quarterly data you posted below?
- jprince 12y agoPut in Pangea, Chicago, 2009-2013, got server error, running Google Chrome on Macbook Air 2013 Snow Leopard.
- hyperlz 12y agoI use http://visadoor.com http://visadoor.com for the same info, and I believe from the same official source: http://visadoor.com/perm http://visadoor.com/perm (Daily PERM results) http://visadoor.com/h1bvisa-database http://visadoor.com/h1bvisa-database (H1B ) http://visadoor.com/greencards-database http://visadoor.com/greencards-database (PERM, more detailed info)
- bugsbunnyak 12y agothis web site ( http://visadoor.com/ http://visadoor.com/ ) has been blocked because it has been determined by Web Reputation Filters to be a security threat to your computer or the corporate network. Indeed!
- pcl 12y agoCisco's firewall blocks it too. Funny stuff.
- datamatt 12y agoDoes this include bonuses? Many companies (mine included) pay 40%+ extra in bonuses to bring people to the market level. (site is also down so I can't see)
- vampirechicken 12y agoIf it takes bonuses to get you to market rates, then you're still underpaid.
- seanflyon 12y agoThis is not true. You are only underpaid if you compensation is below market rate compensation. If I got paid $1 plus a $1 million bonus I would not be underpaid. You should consider how much risk you are willing to take and how likely it is that you will get a smaller (or larger) than expected bonus.
- emidln 12y agoYou also need to consider the tax implications of bonuses vs salary. At least where I live, bonuses are heavily taxed (~40%)
- michaeltoth 12y agoIn the United States bonuses are taxed as ordinary income. Companies may withhold a higher percentage than a standard paycheck, but this is generally because they treat the bonus as if you will continue to receive that income throughout the entire year, and withhold at the corresponding higher rate. When taxes are filed you will receive a refund for any taxes overpaid.
- seanmcdirmid 12y agoWhere I live, tax rate (and income bracket!) is determined month to month, so bonuses are problematic but the company will spread them around to avoid fluctuation.
- clutterjoe 12y agoServer Error 500... boo
- safepants 12y agois there a similar web service for Canadian results, or even the raw data from the Government?
- new_guy123 12y agoI was so hoping for auto completion!
- Kiro 12y agoIt has but not working at the moment.
- yuribit 12y agoVery interesting, I'm waiting that it comes up again.. in the meanwhile, don't you think that every input fields in the "Find salaries" page should be a dropdown menu?
- sp_ 12y agoWhen the DB is up, you'll see recommendations while typing.
- KSS42 12y agoSome info gleaned from these site: At Apple, one VP of SW has a salary of approx $400K.
- zszugyi 12y agoThey seem to be making 500 (server error).
- rabidonrails 12y agoI got a 500 - Server error.
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- ronnier 12y agoSalary is very misleading. Total compensation is ultimately what matters.
- hungrygs 12y agoYou call tell how much the H-1B system is being gamed by the Indian in-source companies. They basically never hire software engineers but only "computer programmers" and the ubiquitous "analyst." Look at this (Salaries in New Jersey? $45,000 for systems analysts?) http://www.h1bme.com/?employer=COGNIZANT+TECHNOLOGY+SOLUTIONS+U.S.+CORPORATION&jobtitle=&perpage=50 http://www.h1bme.com/?employer=COGNIZANT+TECHNOLOGY+SOLUTION... Systems Architects $73k and "programmers" $63k. Not a single software engineer or developer! http://www.h1bme.com/?employer=TATA+CONSULTANCY+SERVICES+LIMITED&jobtitle=&perpage=50 http://www.h1bme.com/?employer=TATA+CONSULTANCY+SERVICES+LIM...
- SushiMon 12y agoServer Error 500. Sigh. Yawn.
- arenaninja 12y agoIs there something similar for non-H1B data? I've previously used salary.com, glassdoor.com and search results on indeed.com to try and compare local salaries, and the variation can be as much as $15k on either end (low-|high-)