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As I know the border of Germany is pretty strict. I hear lots of horror stories from not only well educated people, but also people write books, makes music, et

by oakaz 12y ago

As I know the border of Germany is pretty strict. I hear lots of horror stories from not only well educated people, but also people write books, makes music, etc. Even well known singers can't get visa to give their concert in Germany sometimes. So how come unemployed people from poor neighbor countries can just go Germany and do prostution? It sounds realistic at first hear but thinking about the border officers in Germany, I think you kinda wanna think majority of the prostutes are not Germans.

rtpg 12y ago
Well, there is the Schengen Zone, meaning you can source a decent amount of people from some of Eastern Europe. Not taking a position on GP's thesis that most prostitutes come from poorer countries though.
- lispm 12y ago
  The Schengen zone means that border controls are at the countries at its border. Everyone who enters the Schengen zone then can move freely to Germany without any controls (exception: flights from non-Schengen countries to Germany). Their are no real border control between the Schengen zone countries. The Schengen area are has 420 million people. That's like the US + Mexico, but in 26 countries. The US is closing its border to Mexico - Europe has opened up a lot of borders. But the EU is larger than the Schengen zone. Britain for example is not a part of the Schengen zone, but due to EU law everyone in Britain is free to move to Germany and legally allowed to work here. Then there are a lot of people in east Europe not in the EU. Many of them under a worse economic and political situation (Ukraine, ...). That motivates a lot of people...
lispm 12y ago
What you hear is wrong. German border controls are mostly non existent. In a physical way. Drive over the border and you are in Germany. No fence. No controls. Border controls are down to a minimum. Poland is next to us. No one in Poland needs a visa. There are no real border controls between Poland and us. The Czech are next to us. No one needs a visa. No real border controls. France is next to us. No real border controls. Nobody needs a visa. We even have the same currency. Everybody in the EU (505 million people) can work move and work everywhere (mostly). Nobody needs a visa. Even from countries where a visa is needed, moving to Germany and staying illegal is relatively easy. And so on.
- qwerta 12y ago
  German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK.
  - jcbrand 12y ago
    What does "fully accepted" mean? Where I live, there are a lot of immigrants and I hear non-native accents all the time. At JS meetups, in shops, trains, offices, all over the place. I'm in Germany and don't speak native-level German, and my impression is that the Germans are very open and tolerant to foreigners.
    - qwerta 12y ago
      It is about long-term live. There is sort of glass-ceiling for emigrants in job promotion. And mostly older people are uncomfortable around people from post-soviet countries.
  - lispm 12y ago
    > German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. Where I live, I have never seen that at all. Even then, if the police does not find anything, Czech and Polish drivers are perfectly fine to drive on German streets. Since they are in the EU, they can freely live and work in Germany - they just need to follow the usual German and EU laws. That's also not important in this context. Prostitutes from east european countries can easily move into Germany. It also does not matter if they speak German or not. Most speak enough German to be able to work here in their business. > And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK. The is no requirement to have no foreign accent to live in Germany. The city where I live has around 13% population which doesn't have a German passport. That's the official numbers. Then add people who are living illegal and people who have passports from more than one country.
jacquesm 12y ago
The only borders of note in Europe are the Polish-Russian border, the Hungarian-Romanian border, the Borders with Bulgaria and Turkey. And of course there is the UK. Most of not all of the rest are just lines on maps these day and pose no significant barrier to entry from parties going one way or the other. There are 'roving' patrols but these are far too few to make any big difference. I travel a lot within Europe and the borders above are the only ones where I've seen any border activity at all, let alone was stopped for inspection of my vehicle or passport control in the last decade or more.
- gambiting 12y ago
  The Polish-Russian border is so small it's almost insignificant. There is also very little to no traffic going through it, because there is nothing of interest in Kaliningrad. You must be thinking of the Polish-Belarus border, since most of the European traffic to/from Russia is going that way. Also the Polish-Ukraine border can have incredibly heavy traffic, with waiting queues of couple days at some times.

by oakaz 12y ago

rtpg 12y ago

Well, there is the Schengen Zone, meaning you can source a decent amount of people from some of Eastern Europe. Not taking a position on GP's thesis that most prostitutes come from poorer countries though.

lispm 12y ago
The Schengen zone means that border controls are at the countries at its border. Everyone who enters the Schengen zone then can move freely to Germany without any controls (exception: flights from non-Schengen countries to Germany). Their are no real border control between the Schengen zone countries. The Schengen area are has 420 million people. That's like the US + Mexico, but in 26 countries. The US is closing its border to Mexico - Europe has opened up a lot of borders. But the EU is larger than the Schengen zone. Britain for example is not a part of the Schengen zone, but due to EU law everyone in Britain is free to move to Germany and legally allowed to work here. Then there are a lot of people in east Europe not in the EU. Many of them under a worse economic and political situation (Ukraine, ...). That motivates a lot of people...

lispm 12y ago

What you hear is wrong. German border controls are mostly non existent. In a physical way. Drive over the border and you are in Germany. No fence. No controls. Border controls are down to a minimum. Poland is next to us. No one in Poland needs a visa. There are no real border controls between Poland and us. The Czech are next to us. No one needs a visa. No real border controls. France is next to us. No real border controls. Nobody needs a visa. We even have the same currency. Everybody in the EU (505 million people) can work move and work everywhere (mostly). Nobody needs a visa. Even from countries where a visa is needed, moving to Germany and staying illegal is relatively easy. And so on.

qwerta 12y ago
German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK.
- jcbrand 12y ago
  What does "fully accepted" mean? Where I live, there are a lot of immigrants and I hear non-native accents all the time. At JS meetups, in shops, trains, offices, all over the place. I'm in Germany and don't speak native-level German, and my impression is that the Germans are very open and tolerant to foreigners.
  - qwerta 12y ago
    It is about long-term live. There is sort of glass-ceiling for emigrants in job promotion. And mostly older people are uncomfortable around people from post-soviet countries.
- lispm 12y ago
  > German road police bullies Czech and Polish drivers a lot. 'Random' road control means that entire content of car ends up on the road. Where I live, I have never seen that at all. Even then, if the police does not find anything, Czech and Polish drivers are perfectly fine to drive on German streets. Since they are in the EU, they can freely live and work in Germany - they just need to follow the usual German and EU laws. That's also not important in this context. Prostitutes from east european countries can easily move into Germany. It also does not matter if they speak German or not. Most speak enough German to be able to work here in their business. > And while German society is relatively open, you need fluent German language with NO ACCENT to be fully accepted, it is very far from US or UK. The is no requirement to have no foreign accent to live in Germany. The city where I live has around 13% population which doesn't have a German passport. That's the official numbers. Then add people who are living illegal and people who have passports from more than one country.

jacquesm 12y ago

The only borders of note in Europe are the Polish-Russian border, the Hungarian-Romanian border, the Borders with Bulgaria and Turkey. And of course there is the UK. Most of not all of the rest are just lines on maps these day and pose no significant barrier to entry from parties going one way or the other. There are 'roving' patrols but these are far too few to make any big difference. I travel a lot within Europe and the borders above are the only ones where I've seen any border activity at all, let alone was stopped for inspection of my vehicle or passport control in the last decade or more.

gambiting 12y ago
The Polish-Russian border is so small it's almost insignificant. There is also very little to no traffic going through it, because there is nothing of interest in Kaliningrad. You must be thinking of the Polish-Belarus border, since most of the European traffic to/from Russia is going that way. Also the Polish-Ukraine border can have incredibly heavy traffic, with waiting queues of couple days at some times.