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Ubuntu 14.04 released

279 points by pjvds 12y ago

Most DC's are now serving the latest page. Only exception I found is the one for the Nordic region, this still serves the beta release.

pjvds 12y ago
Most DC's are now serving the latest page. Only exception I found is the one for the Nordic region, this still serves the beta release.
neverminder 12y ago
I don't know about everyone else, but for me "released" means I can download it from the official location - http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop and that is not the case yet.
- buckbova 12y ago
  Title should be changed to: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Beta 2 Edit: I see the updated title now.
- pjvds 12y ago
  Not all data center serve the latest page yet.
  - bencoder 12y ago
    I'm getting Beta 2, from the UK. For some reason your other comment explaining this is [dead]. Can't see any reason why though.
    - Toenex 12y ago
      UK here too. 'sudo do-release-upgrade' gives 'No new release found`.
      - untothebreach 12y ago
        It's weird, if I go to the web page linked here, I see the release, but running the 'sudo do-release-upgrade' command reports the same thing as yours.
        karlshea 12y ago
        I seem to remember that when 12 LTS was released that it was a month or so until you could pull it using do-release-upgrade. Something about wanting to make sure everything was stable before they pushed it that way? It's been awhile so I'm not sure.
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  - pjvds 12y ago
    Amsterdam, The Netherlands is now serving the latest release.
ziggamon 12y ago
Tried to find some sort of release notes, best thing I could find was this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes If someone has a better link, please share!
- munchor 12y ago
  There's a video here[1] with some of the new features. It's not very comprehensive though. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-ins...
  - CyberShadow 12y ago
    Did I understand correctly that at 1:25, that video is demonstrating the introduction of "live window resizing"? I haven't been following Unity closely, but I thought this feature was present in OS GUIs since about 1997?
    - nawitus 12y ago
      It's probably demonstrating live window resizing for that particular application.
      - mostly_harmless 12y ago
        No, this is a new feature for the display manager. Previously in Ubuntu (with unity) the window would be the whole window area would get covered by an orange transparent film, and it was the orange film that would be resized. The actual window would only resize on release. Yes, not exactly a revolutionary new feature, but newly enabled in unity by default.
    - streptomycin 12y ago
      > I thought this feature was present in OS GUIs since about 1997? It was, until all the fancy compositing WMs like Compiz came around. Those usually had it as an option, but not as the default because it lagged way too much. Progress!
plg 12y ago
it still shows beta at the link given above
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floor_ 12y ago
Does Ubuntu still shill out personal data to Amazon?
- zanny 12y ago
  They never gave out personal information, they just covered your dash with ads and clicking them gave Canonical affiliate revenue. They routed the searches through their servers to prevent Amazon from associating searches and IPs when they go to the actual site. And I (think?) this is the release where dash ads are default off.
  - ihsw 12y ago
    There is no proof that they're not passing that information onto Amazon, and it's just a policy on their end. Policies can change and then we will have no recourse. The dash shouldn't be sending any user information to begin with. I get that Canonical needs to get profitable fast, so personally I think they should take the RedHat road and release 'Ubuntu Enterprise' or something to that effect. http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-i... The 14.04 release has quite clearly shown that they have the expertise and industry collaboration to get the ball rolling on that.
    - smacktoward 12y ago
      > There is no proof that they're not passing that information onto Amazon, and it's just a policy on their end. Policies can change and then we will have no recourse. Except for turning it off via the clearly marked option in the settings, or running a script that patches the feature out, or going into the source code and patching it out yourself, or waiting a few months until Canonical switches the default to "off." But yeah, other than that, you have no recourse.
    - higherpurpose 12y ago
      I believe Microsoft did the same thing with Windows 8.1 (local file searches pass on to advertisers).
bsg75 12y ago
At this point this is a link to beta 2 from March.
- sp332 12y ago
  ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso 17-Apr-2014 01:35 964M Seems ok now?
  - bsg75 12y ago
    It is showing for me now.
bluedino 12y ago
Do people actually use jigdo?
- codecondo 12y ago
  The design of the homepage suggests that, indeed, people actually use jigdo.
- gcb0 12y ago
  No.
- gcb0 12y ago
  Yes.
ateevchopra 12y ago
Its great to see another LTS. Finally time to update 12.04 version.
- keithpeter 12y ago
  Might want to wait until the first 'delta' (14.04.1) round June if you are happy with 12.04 for a few more months and your machines are used in production. Rough edges smoothed &c If it is just a personal machine, have at it, I was using the Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 beta for some weeks with no major issues.
  - ilyanep 12y ago
    I'm still on 12.04 LTS and haven't been paying much attention to the updates since then. Are there any huge changes in between as far as the general day-to-day experience?
    - keithpeter 12y ago
      I've not been following 14.04 desktop and the evolution of the Unity desktop closely. Others may wish to comment with specifics here. The main reason I (as an end user with one laptop) have moved over to Gnome based UI is LibreOffice and the ALT keyboard mnemonics.
jcastro 12y ago
Just a reminder that we are now publishing Vagrant boxes as well: - https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu
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- nirvdrum 12y ago
  Any chance you'll be publishing VMware boxes as well?
  - jcastro 12y ago
    afaict we don't have any plans, but you're not the first person to ask today, I'll ask around and see.
    - nirvdrum 12y ago
      Thanks. If you find out anything, please ping me. My contact info is in my profile.
  - mdaniel 12y ago
    My understanding of Vagrant is that it is a meta virtualization format, so in theory one could create a Vagrantfile that points at the aforementioned vagrant boxes and it will use VMware to do the local provisioning (the Vagrant boxes even use the VMDK disk format, which should make it even easier). In theory :-)
    - nirvdrum 12y ago
      I think if you use Packer you can create boxes in multiple formats. But once created, the boxes are just simply packaged VMs with some metadata. The formats are different for VirtualBox and VMware.
gary4gar 12y ago
Downloading via Bittorrent! Getting 12.04 LTS with great speeds.
wcchandler 12y ago
Magnet URI for desktop amd64: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4d753474429d817b80ff9e0c441ca660ec5d2450&dn=ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftorrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce
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- hkphooey 12y ago
  Anybody know when Xubuntu and Lubuntu will be updated to 14.04? Is it usually the same day or a few days later?
  - rattray 12y ago
    Lubuntu looks released, Xubuntu has a final beta out [0] [0] http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/14-04/ http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/14-04/
  - bainsfather 12y ago
    xubuntu is now out also: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
beaumartinez 12y ago
Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to use Ubuntu's own packages instead[1], but it didn't make it in time. This means that pip being bundled by default—one of Python 3.4 coolest features—is missing. Trying to create a virtualenv using the bundled virtualenv module fails as well. Big mess.[2] [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu... [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1290847 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/129...
- 0161 12y ago
  This is a real shame. Python 3.4 and bundled pip support was high on my list of reasons of why I should upgrade to 14.04 sooner rather than later. I think I'll wait now until this is smoothed out.
  - id 12y ago
    Ubuntu 14.04.1 is scheduled for July 24th.
    - 0161 12y ago
      In the bug thread linked in above, it's mentioned that it will be fixed in Debian and then included in an SRU (Stable Release Update) for Ubuntu 14.04. Does that mean July 24th or might it be earlier, do you know?
      - jcastro 12y ago
        The point release is a roll up of the previous fixes, so if the bug is fixed beforehand you'll get it in an update.
        0161 12y ago
        Oh, excellent. Thanks very much for the reply.
g8oz 12y ago
For those of you who find the Unity desktop to be an overweight example of "designer" solipsism, try out the alternative light weight desktops like Lubuntu (LXDE based) or Xubuntu (XFCE based). sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
- keithpeter 12y ago
  I think you are being downvoted because of tone rather than fact. Facts: Ubuntu desktop releases are available in a variety of 'flavours' including Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome Ubuntu. The Kubuntu release has external sponsorship from Blue Systems. There is also UbuntuStudio that packages a lot of music/sound/graphics/video applications with a slightly remodelled XFCE4 UI. LTS status is limited to 3 years for the 'flavours' as opposed to 5 years for the Unity based Ubuntu, still one year overlap with the next LTS. You can, as go8z says, install a range of desktop sessions on stock Ubuntu, but you do end up with a certain amount of duplication e.g. power manager, mousepad/Abiword and gedit/LibreOffice &c. Plenty of choice so we can get our work done. It is all here... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
  - abhinavk 12y ago
    Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio also get 5 years of support.
    - keithpeter 12y ago
      Excellent news, thanks, especially for UbuntuStudio. I haven't been following the detail.
- skriticos2 12y ago
  In fact I did that in the past weeks after being a bit weary of the Unity 8 situation. So I grabbed Debian testing and installed it. First I tried Gnome 3, then KDE and XFCE and boy, are they all ugly. I started with Gnome 3.10 (after ignoring it for most of it's existence except once in the early time) and it failed to register simple mouse clicks in a Steam game (the firs thing I tried). It's also sluggish and ugly and hard to get anything productive done. So I went to KDE 4.11 next. And it's as ugly as ever. The huge sound indicator at the bottom is just so ugly. And then they have what looks like a Start menu thingy to launch applications. Oh boy, that felt odd. Still miles better than Gnome 3, but nothing I'd like to see on a daily basis. XFCE is just too bare-bone for me. It's OK in looks, but the task bars are just clumsy. So I'm probably sticking to Ubuntu for the next LTS cycle too and see what comes of the Unity 8 desktop. Sad to see there are no real contenders.
orik 12y ago
Can anyone comment on the difference between the PC and the Mac 64 bit images?
- dignati 12y ago
  Probably a bunch of different drivers
- pjvds 12y ago
  amd64 images use BIOS or UEFI. Macs use a variant of EFI (an earlier version of what's now called UEFI), they apparently can't cope with multi-catalog CDs and the MAC variant images fix this. See: http://askubuntu.com/a/40480/117820 http://askubuntu.com/a/40480/117820
  - DanBC 12y ago
    Can anyone talk about how well a Macbook Pro copes with the UEFI version of Ubuntu? Fedora 20 on a 2009 13" MBP is an unfun experience. Using the UEFI boot means you get broken graphics drivers. Using the regular boot means you have to hold boot to get the image boot menu every time you power on. (I think - I could easily be wrong). You have to make sure the disk is blessed otherwise there's a large boot delay. (Fedora 20 doesn't use the right Broadcom drivers which means some interesti g catch22 about needing to connect to the internet to get WIFI drivers but not being able to because lol no drivers.) I don't want to rant about Fedora when most of this is my lack of knowledge. But the combination of Gnome3 and this kind of fiddling around was odd and reminded me of a much older install experience. (Having said all that, Fedora 20 is nice and does have some really nice features.)
    - ForHackernews 12y ago
      I run Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro, and it works just fine with UEFI. However, I did have to do some tinkering with ReFind as part of the initial setup: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
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foobarqux 12y ago
If you use Emacs and depend on Ctrl-space note that you may have to disable the keybinding in ibus-setup and restart the ibus daemon. This bug was claimed to be fixed but it wasn't for me. However I'm running Xmonad with some Gnome utilities.
- _Satya 12y ago
  The ibus in Ubuntu 14.04 uses Super+Space to switch between languages. Not the Ctrl+Space anymore. Nevertheless, it's easy to change it to any other key combination.
  - foobarqux 12y ago
    Mine was bound to Ctrl-space in ibus-setup but as I said I have a non-standard config.
ForHackernews 12y ago
What's the deal with this "Ubuntu Browser" being set as the default? I feel like Canonical has a serious Not Invented Here problem, where they keep trying to re-invent the wheel by writing their own desktop environment, window manager, browser, startup system, etc.
- 0x420 12y ago
  Rebranding stuff isn't Not Invented Here syndrome. Relax. They didn't re-invent anything. It's just Firefox with a few patches for integrating with their desktop environment. Plus, they gave up on their startup system. They'll be switching to systemd in future releases.
  - commandar 12y ago
    >It's just Firefox with a few patches for integrating with their desktop environment. Debian upstream does the same thing. Mozilla doesn't allow use of the Firefox trademark for non-Mozilla builds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Weasel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Weasel
    - 0x420 12y ago
      It seems we were both wrong. Forhackernews was most likely referring to the new web app system. Websites that register themselves as web apps get their own launcher icons, run in their own window, show desktop notifications, etc., and they're powered by Ubuntu's custom QML-based browser which is referred to as Ubuntu Browser. Firefox is still there, and still branded as Firefox. Ubuntu Browser isn't intended to replace it outright.
  - floor_ 12y ago
    Oh god. Not systemd. That bloated pile of garbage.
kuchaguangjie 12y ago
Since 10.10, when unity as desktop, ubuntu desktop is dead ... f..k Mark ...
- octopus 12y ago
  Nobody stops you to install an alternate GUI on top of Ubuntu or install other Linux distro. HN is not the place for ad hominem attacks (even if you don't like the way Mark changes Ubuntu).
mrinterweb 12y ago
For some strange reason, the 14.04 release is not showing up for me with "sudo do-release-upgrade". I have tried to update my primary software source to their main server and main for the US, and both did not show the availability of the new release. As a friendly reminder, if you want to download the release as quickly as possible, use the torrent from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads and be sure to seed for others.
- tyleregeto 12y ago
  I'm not seeing it either, its not just you. Probably still propagating or something. Hopefully soon!
- blippe 12y ago
  It is by design! Upgrades between LTS releases are not enabled by default until the first point release, 14.04.1, scheduled for July. It is recommended that most LTS users wait until then before upgrading to 14.04. You could add a '-d' flag if you're in a hurry!
  - mrinterweb 12y ago
    I used the '-d' flag and the release that it showed was the development release. I tried to proceed with the 14.04 development upgrade, but the upgrade failed.
pjvds 12y ago
Desktop and server pages are now pointing to 14.04 as well: [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
ausjke 12y ago
From the release notes: "Hardware support - ARM multiplatform support has been added, enabling you to build a single ARM kernel image that can boot across multiple hardware platforms. Additionally, the ARM64 and Power architectures are now fully supported. " Really? Can you do openstack with ARM/Power? what do you mean by "fully supported", does it mean ARM/Power/x86 all have the same set of packages? it has not been the case in the past.
homulilly 12y ago
So can you move the application dock to the bottom of the screen without recompiling yet?
sobering 12y ago
Anyone have any guesses as to when this will be available on DigitalOcean? Edit: As of five minutes ago, it's showing up!
arunk-s 12y ago
Can anyone point the link to ubuntu gnome 14.04 ( final release ) ? All I can get is the trusty beta 2 on their official ubuntugnome.org.
- bebop 12y ago
  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/trusty/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/trusty/relea...
marshray 12y ago
Figures! I installed my first Ubuntu in years, 12.04.4 LTS, literally yesterday.

279 points by pjvds 12y ago

Most DC's are now serving the latest page. Only exception I found is the one for the Nordic region, this still serves the beta release.

pjvds 12y ago

Most DC's are now serving the latest page. Only exception I found is the one for the Nordic region, this still serves the beta release.

neverminder 12y ago

I don't know about everyone else, but for me "released" means I can download it from the official location - http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop and that is not the case yet.

buckbova 12y ago
Title should be changed to: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Beta 2 Edit: I see the updated title now.
pjvds 12y ago
Not all data center serve the latest page yet.
- bencoder 12y ago
  I'm getting Beta 2, from the UK. For some reason your other comment explaining this is [dead]. Can't see any reason why though.
  - Toenex 12y ago
    UK here too. 'sudo do-release-upgrade' gives 'No new release found`.
    - untothebreach 12y ago
      It's weird, if I go to the web page linked here, I see the release, but running the 'sudo do-release-upgrade' command reports the same thing as yours.
      - karlshea 12y ago
        I seem to remember that when 12 LTS was released that it was a month or so until you could pull it using do-release-upgrade. Something about wanting to make sure everything was stable before they pushed it that way? It's been awhile so I'm not sure.
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- pjvds 12y ago
  Amsterdam, The Netherlands is now serving the latest release.

ziggamon 12y ago

Tried to find some sort of release notes, best thing I could find was this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes If someone has a better link, please share!

munchor 12y ago
There's a video here[1] with some of the new features. It's not very comprehensive though. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-ins...
- CyberShadow 12y ago
  Did I understand correctly that at 1:25, that video is demonstrating the introduction of "live window resizing"? I haven't been following Unity closely, but I thought this feature was present in OS GUIs since about 1997?
  - nawitus 12y ago
    It's probably demonstrating live window resizing for that particular application.
    - mostly_harmless 12y ago
      No, this is a new feature for the display manager. Previously in Ubuntu (with unity) the window would be the whole window area would get covered by an orange transparent film, and it was the orange film that would be resized. The actual window would only resize on release. Yes, not exactly a revolutionary new feature, but newly enabled in unity by default.
  - streptomycin 12y ago
    > I thought this feature was present in OS GUIs since about 1997? It was, until all the fancy compositing WMs like Compiz came around. Those usually had it as an option, but not as the default because it lagged way too much. Progress!

plg 12y ago

it still shows beta at the link given above

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floor_ 12y ago

Does Ubuntu still shill out personal data to Amazon?

zanny 12y ago
They never gave out personal information, they just covered your dash with ads and clicking them gave Canonical affiliate revenue. They routed the searches through their servers to prevent Amazon from associating searches and IPs when they go to the actual site. And I (think?) this is the release where dash ads are default off.
- ihsw 12y ago
  There is no proof that they're not passing that information onto Amazon, and it's just a policy on their end. Policies can change and then we will have no recourse. The dash shouldn't be sending any user information to begin with. I get that Canonical needs to get profitable fast, so personally I think they should take the RedHat road and release 'Ubuntu Enterprise' or something to that effect. http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-i... The 14.04 release has quite clearly shown that they have the expertise and industry collaboration to get the ball rolling on that.
  - smacktoward 12y ago
    > There is no proof that they're not passing that information onto Amazon, and it's just a policy on their end. Policies can change and then we will have no recourse. Except for turning it off via the clearly marked option in the settings, or running a script that patches the feature out, or going into the source code and patching it out yourself, or waiting a few months until Canonical switches the default to "off." But yeah, other than that, you have no recourse.
  - higherpurpose 12y ago
    I believe Microsoft did the same thing with Windows 8.1 (local file searches pass on to advertisers).

bsg75 12y ago

At this point this is a link to beta 2 from March.

sp332 12y ago
ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso 17-Apr-2014 01:35 964M Seems ok now?
- bsg75 12y ago
  It is showing for me now.

bluedino 12y ago

Do people actually use jigdo?

codecondo 12y ago
The design of the homepage suggests that, indeed, people actually use jigdo.
gcb0 12y ago
No.
gcb0 12y ago
Yes.

ateevchopra 12y ago

Its great to see another LTS. Finally time to update 12.04 version.

keithpeter 12y ago
Might want to wait until the first 'delta' (14.04.1) round June if you are happy with 12.04 for a few more months and your machines are used in production. Rough edges smoothed &c If it is just a personal machine, have at it, I was using the Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 beta for some weeks with no major issues.
- ilyanep 12y ago
  I'm still on 12.04 LTS and haven't been paying much attention to the updates since then. Are there any huge changes in between as far as the general day-to-day experience?
  - keithpeter 12y ago
    I've not been following 14.04 desktop and the evolution of the Unity desktop closely. Others may wish to comment with specifics here. The main reason I (as an end user with one laptop) have moved over to Gnome based UI is LibreOffice and the ALT keyboard mnemonics.

jcastro 12y ago

Just a reminder that we are now publishing Vagrant boxes as well: - https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu

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nirvdrum 12y ago
Any chance you'll be publishing VMware boxes as well?
- jcastro 12y ago
  afaict we don't have any plans, but you're not the first person to ask today, I'll ask around and see.
  - nirvdrum 12y ago
    Thanks. If you find out anything, please ping me. My contact info is in my profile.
- mdaniel 12y ago
  My understanding of Vagrant is that it is a meta virtualization format, so in theory one could create a Vagrantfile that points at the aforementioned vagrant boxes and it will use VMware to do the local provisioning (the Vagrant boxes even use the VMDK disk format, which should make it even easier). In theory :-)
  - nirvdrum 12y ago
    I think if you use Packer you can create boxes in multiple formats. But once created, the boxes are just simply packaged VMs with some metadata. The formats are different for VirtualBox and VMware.

gary4gar 12y ago

Downloading via Bittorrent! Getting 12.04 LTS with great speeds.

wcchandler 12y ago

Magnet URI for desktop amd64: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4d753474429d817b80ff9e0c441ca660ec5d2450&dn=ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftorrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce

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hkphooey 12y ago
Anybody know when Xubuntu and Lubuntu will be updated to 14.04? Is it usually the same day or a few days later?
- rattray 12y ago
  Lubuntu looks released, Xubuntu has a final beta out [0] [0] http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/14-04/ http://xubuntu.org/news/tag/14-04/
- bainsfather 12y ago
  xubuntu is now out also: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/

beaumartinez 12y ago

Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to use Ubuntu's own packages instead[1], but it didn't make it in time. This means that pip being bundled by default—one of Python 3.4 coolest features—is missing. Trying to create a virtualenv using the bundled virtualenv module fails as well. Big mess.[2] [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu... [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1290847 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/129...

0161 12y ago
This is a real shame. Python 3.4 and bundled pip support was high on my list of reasons of why I should upgrade to 14.04 sooner rather than later. I think I'll wait now until this is smoothed out.
- id 12y ago
  Ubuntu 14.04.1 is scheduled for July 24th.
  - 0161 12y ago
    In the bug thread linked in above, it's mentioned that it will be fixed in Debian and then included in an SRU (Stable Release Update) for Ubuntu 14.04. Does that mean July 24th or might it be earlier, do you know?
    - jcastro 12y ago
      The point release is a roll up of the previous fixes, so if the bug is fixed beforehand you'll get it in an update.
      - 0161 12y ago
        Oh, excellent. Thanks very much for the reply.

g8oz 12y ago

For those of you who find the Unity desktop to be an overweight example of "designer" solipsism, try out the alternative light weight desktops like Lubuntu (LXDE based) or Xubuntu (XFCE based). sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

keithpeter 12y ago
I think you are being downvoted because of tone rather than fact. Facts: Ubuntu desktop releases are available in a variety of 'flavours' including Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome Ubuntu. The Kubuntu release has external sponsorship from Blue Systems. There is also UbuntuStudio that packages a lot of music/sound/graphics/video applications with a slightly remodelled XFCE4 UI. LTS status is limited to 3 years for the 'flavours' as opposed to 5 years for the Unity based Ubuntu, still one year overlap with the next LTS. You can, as go8z says, install a range of desktop sessions on stock Ubuntu, but you do end up with a certain amount of duplication e.g. power manager, mousepad/Abiword and gedit/LibreOffice &c. Plenty of choice so we can get our work done. It is all here... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
- abhinavk 12y ago
  Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio also get 5 years of support.
  - keithpeter 12y ago
    Excellent news, thanks, especially for UbuntuStudio. I haven't been following the detail.
skriticos2 12y ago
In fact I did that in the past weeks after being a bit weary of the Unity 8 situation. So I grabbed Debian testing and installed it. First I tried Gnome 3, then KDE and XFCE and boy, are they all ugly. I started with Gnome 3.10 (after ignoring it for most of it's existence except once in the early time) and it failed to register simple mouse clicks in a Steam game (the firs thing I tried). It's also sluggish and ugly and hard to get anything productive done. So I went to KDE 4.11 next. And it's as ugly as ever. The huge sound indicator at the bottom is just so ugly. And then they have what looks like a Start menu thingy to launch applications. Oh boy, that felt odd. Still miles better than Gnome 3, but nothing I'd like to see on a daily basis. XFCE is just too bare-bone for me. It's OK in looks, but the task bars are just clumsy. So I'm probably sticking to Ubuntu for the next LTS cycle too and see what comes of the Unity 8 desktop. Sad to see there are no real contenders.

orik 12y ago

Can anyone comment on the difference between the PC and the Mac 64 bit images?

dignati 12y ago
Probably a bunch of different drivers
pjvds 12y ago
amd64 images use BIOS or UEFI. Macs use a variant of EFI (an earlier version of what's now called UEFI), they apparently can't cope with multi-catalog CDs and the MAC variant images fix this. See: http://askubuntu.com/a/40480/117820 http://askubuntu.com/a/40480/117820
- DanBC 12y ago
  Can anyone talk about how well a Macbook Pro copes with the UEFI version of Ubuntu? Fedora 20 on a 2009 13" MBP is an unfun experience. Using the UEFI boot means you get broken graphics drivers. Using the regular boot means you have to hold boot to get the image boot menu every time you power on. (I think - I could easily be wrong). You have to make sure the disk is blessed otherwise there's a large boot delay. (Fedora 20 doesn't use the right Broadcom drivers which means some interesti g catch22 about needing to connect to the internet to get WIFI drivers but not being able to because lol no drivers.) I don't want to rant about Fedora when most of this is my lack of knowledge. But the combination of Gnome3 and this kind of fiddling around was odd and reminded me of a much older install experience. (Having said all that, Fedora 20 is nice and does have some really nice features.)
  - ForHackernews 12y ago
    I run Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro, and it works just fine with UEFI. However, I did have to do some tinkering with ReFind as part of the initial setup: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
    - 12y ago

foobarqux 12y ago

If you use Emacs and depend on Ctrl-space note that you may have to disable the keybinding in ibus-setup and restart the ibus daemon. This bug was claimed to be fixed but it wasn't for me. However I'm running Xmonad with some Gnome utilities.

_Satya 12y ago
The ibus in Ubuntu 14.04 uses Super+Space to switch between languages. Not the Ctrl+Space anymore. Nevertheless, it's easy to change it to any other key combination.
- foobarqux 12y ago
  Mine was bound to Ctrl-space in ibus-setup but as I said I have a non-standard config.

ForHackernews 12y ago

What's the deal with this "Ubuntu Browser" being set as the default? I feel like Canonical has a serious Not Invented Here problem, where they keep trying to re-invent the wheel by writing their own desktop environment, window manager, browser, startup system, etc.

0x420 12y ago
Rebranding stuff isn't Not Invented Here syndrome. Relax. They didn't re-invent anything. It's just Firefox with a few patches for integrating with their desktop environment. Plus, they gave up on their startup system. They'll be switching to systemd in future releases.
- commandar 12y ago
  >It's just Firefox with a few patches for integrating with their desktop environment. Debian upstream does the same thing. Mozilla doesn't allow use of the Firefox trademark for non-Mozilla builds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Weasel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Weasel
  - 0x420 12y ago
    It seems we were both wrong. Forhackernews was most likely referring to the new web app system. Websites that register themselves as web apps get their own launcher icons, run in their own window, show desktop notifications, etc., and they're powered by Ubuntu's custom QML-based browser which is referred to as Ubuntu Browser. Firefox is still there, and still branded as Firefox. Ubuntu Browser isn't intended to replace it outright.
- floor_ 12y ago
  Oh god. Not systemd. That bloated pile of garbage.

kuchaguangjie 12y ago

Since 10.10, when unity as desktop, ubuntu desktop is dead ... f..k Mark ...

octopus 12y ago
Nobody stops you to install an alternate GUI on top of Ubuntu or install other Linux distro. HN is not the place for ad hominem attacks (even if you don't like the way Mark changes Ubuntu).

mrinterweb 12y ago

For some strange reason, the 14.04 release is not showing up for me with "sudo do-release-upgrade". I have tried to update my primary software source to their main server and main for the US, and both did not show the availability of the new release. As a friendly reminder, if you want to download the release as quickly as possible, use the torrent from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads and be sure to seed for others.

tyleregeto 12y ago
I'm not seeing it either, its not just you. Probably still propagating or something. Hopefully soon!
blippe 12y ago
It is by design! Upgrades between LTS releases are not enabled by default until the first point release, 14.04.1, scheduled for July. It is recommended that most LTS users wait until then before upgrading to 14.04. You could add a '-d' flag if you're in a hurry!
- mrinterweb 12y ago
  I used the '-d' flag and the release that it showed was the development release. I tried to proceed with the 14.04 development upgrade, but the upgrade failed.

pjvds 12y ago

Desktop and server pages are now pointing to 14.04 as well: [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server

ausjke 12y ago

From the release notes: "Hardware support - ARM multiplatform support has been added, enabling you to build a single ARM kernel image that can boot across multiple hardware platforms. Additionally, the ARM64 and Power architectures are now fully supported. " Really? Can you do openstack with ARM/Power? what do you mean by "fully supported", does it mean ARM/Power/x86 all have the same set of packages? it has not been the case in the past.

homulilly 12y ago

So can you move the application dock to the bottom of the screen without recompiling yet?

sobering 12y ago

Anyone have any guesses as to when this will be available on DigitalOcean? Edit: As of five minutes ago, it's showing up!

arunk-s 12y ago

Can anyone point the link to ubuntu gnome 14.04 ( final release ) ? All I can get is the trusty beta 2 on their official ubuntugnome.org.

bebop 12y ago
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/trusty/release/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/trusty/relea...

marshray 12y ago

Figures! I installed my first Ubuntu in years, 12.04.4 LTS, literally yesterday.