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Tell that to Matthew Shepard.

stefantalpalaru 12y ago
It is irrational to associate a homophobic hate crime with a donation to gay marriage opponents. But that's OK. As long as you can raise a fuss about it you can completely ignore reason and pressure people into resigning.
- ionforce 12y ago
  Why do you expect one side of the argument to adhere to reason when the other side clearly has none? What is the "reason" behind being against marriage equality?
  - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
    The other side of the argument is: people should not be sacked because of their political opinions, even if I don't agree with them. I find this a rational and sustainable position. No one should be afraid of losing their job for voicing their opinion in a public debate. No one.
    - mef 12y ago
      He wasn't sacked, he stepped down.
      - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
        Under pressure.
    - username223 12y ago
      > No one should be afraid of losing their job for voicing their opinion in a public debate. No one. Really? I guess there's no inherent problem with a homophobe or white supremacist coder, as long as he does his job and doesn't cause trouble at work. But a manager, who hires and fires, or a CEO, who is the public face of the company? It seems "rational and sustainable" to hold them to higher standards.
      - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
        Is one of those higher standards political compliance with what's hip in the Valley right now? What about voting for a certain president? You know what? Let's amend the right to free speech so it excludes Mozilla CEOs, just to be on the safe side. Oh, and the next CEO better be a peruvian-aleutian lesbian just to show that the company doesn't discriminate (any more).
        username223 12y ago
        > peruvian-aleutian lesbian Or put "RonPaul2012" all over everything to appeal to your ilk? If you want to be a CEO, either avoid politics, or know that the people who agree with you have enough money.
        beedogs 12y ago
        This has absolutely fuck-all to do with free speech; the government is not involved in this issue at all. People really need to have a better understanding of constitutional issues and applicability before they start running their mouth about it.
- Borogove 12y ago
  I was comparing Shepard's murder to the persecution of Eich.
  - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
    That's not only wrong, it's also stupid.
    - Borogove 12y ago
      That's my point.
adventured 12y ago
What about Matthew Shepard? He wasn't killed for being gay. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/14/matthew-shepard-murder-wyoming-book http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/14/matthew-shepard...

It is irrational to associate a homophobic hate crime with a donation to gay marriage opponents. But that's OK. As long as you can raise a fuss about it you can completely ignore reason and pressure people into resigning.

ionforce 12y ago
Why do you expect one side of the argument to adhere to reason when the other side clearly has none? What is the "reason" behind being against marriage equality?
- stefantalpalaru 12y ago
  The other side of the argument is: people should not be sacked because of their political opinions, even if I don't agree with them. I find this a rational and sustainable position. No one should be afraid of losing their job for voicing their opinion in a public debate. No one.
  - mef 12y ago
    He wasn't sacked, he stepped down.
    - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
      Under pressure.
  - username223 12y ago
    > No one should be afraid of losing their job for voicing their opinion in a public debate. No one. Really? I guess there's no inherent problem with a homophobe or white supremacist coder, as long as he does his job and doesn't cause trouble at work. But a manager, who hires and fires, or a CEO, who is the public face of the company? It seems "rational and sustainable" to hold them to higher standards.
    - stefantalpalaru 12y ago
      Is one of those higher standards political compliance with what's hip in the Valley right now? What about voting for a certain president? You know what? Let's amend the right to free speech so it excludes Mozilla CEOs, just to be on the safe side. Oh, and the next CEO better be a peruvian-aleutian lesbian just to show that the company doesn't discriminate (any more).
      - username223 12y ago
        > peruvian-aleutian lesbian Or put "RonPaul2012" all over everything to appeal to your ilk? If you want to be a CEO, either avoid politics, or know that the people who agree with you have enough money.
      - beedogs 12y ago
        This has absolutely fuck-all to do with free speech; the government is not involved in this issue at all. People really need to have a better understanding of constitutional issues and applicability before they start running their mouth about it.
Borogove 12y ago
I was comparing Shepard's murder to the persecution of Eich.
- stefantalpalaru 12y ago
  That's not only wrong, it's also stupid.
  - Borogove 12y ago
    That's my point.

adventured 12y ago

What about Matthew Shepard? He wasn't killed for being gay. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/14/matthew-shepard-murder-wyoming-book http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/14/matthew-shepard...