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I've been looking forward to OneNote on the Mac for years. I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; all notebooks appear to be sy

I've been looking forward to OneNote on the Mac for years. I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; all notebooks appear to be synced through the OneDrive cloud. WTF? There's not even the option to encrypt notebooks in the cloud. I'm just not going to share all my personal thoughts and notes with the NSA. I'm disappointed.

batoure 13y ago
>I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; It scares me the way this seems to be a statement on the future of Microsoft office. The windows 8.1 styled version of onenote functions the same way. It is also crippled so that you can't lock sections the way that you could in onenote for desktop.
sliverstorm 13y ago
What, are you afraid the NSA is going to steal your business ideas? Of all the things I would not want spooks snooping, my meeting scrapbook is pretty low on the list.
- ChuckMcM 13y ago
  Don't be silly, local notebooks are a really useful thing when flying and when out of range of cell service (like camping, which is a great time for continual thinking without distraction). Without a capability for offline notes it will be less useful than if it had that capability.
  - bjtitus 13y ago
    You can work offline just fine. Notebooks will sync when you are back online. Seems like that covers all of your use cases just fine. Not sure how well the merges work in practice, though.
    - ChuckMcM 13y ago
      > Not sure how well the merges work in practice, though. Not too well in Evernote has been my experience. It seems like every time I work on something offline for any length of time it gets into a manual merge bucket.
    - thinkling 13y ago
      So there's a local cached copy that you can back up if you're a stickler for keeping local backups of your data?
- dpatriarche 13y ago
  I guess it depends on what you keep in your notebooks. Business notes in the cloud, fine. Personal stuff I keep notes on -- medical history, financial info, etc. -- all in the cloud, possibly encrypted with some key owned by MS also in their cloud, living forever? Nope.
gum_ina_package 13y ago
The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. Everything is synced with the cloud.
- dpatriarche 13y ago
  Which is great! My business is based on cloud computing. I totally see the value of syncing my business notes through the cloud to my other devices. But I need the option of flagging certain notebooks as private and not to be synced. So I guess I'll stick with Yojimbo for personal notes.
  - orthecreedence 13y ago
    Or try Turtl (https://turtl.it https://turtl.it). We're early stage, but everything is private by default (client-side encrypted) before syncing to "the cloud." Your data is available everywhere but completely private. This is great for small businesses who don't want to have to worry about whether what they're uploading is sensitive or not. Disclosure: I'm the one building it =].
- runjake 13y ago
  > The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always > (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. No, it has not always "worked this way" and it still doesn't across the board. I've been using OneNote for ~13 years (since the 2000 version). And in fact, the Windows versions continue to support offline notebooks despite Microsoft's attempts to shoehorn people onto the cloud. A rather common OneNote usage scenario I see is a OneNote notebook on a company file share, or a shared Dropbox folder. OneNote supports multiple concurrent edits of a single notebook. Not everyone wants everything in the cloud.
  - s3r3nity 13y ago
    "shared Dropbox folder" is still the cloud, just not Microsoft's.
- 13y ago
tass 13y ago
This is going to mean I can't use it, unfortunately. At least not at work. A lot of businesses don't allow sharing work-related information with other businesses.
clauretano 13y ago
and no OneDrive for Business support still. Really tough to sell any company on using that service unless they're a homogenous Windows environment. "It's kinda like DropBox except you have to always use Windows". Microsoft: supporting BYOD as long as you're bringing Windows. On a positive note, it's nice to see Microsoft being a good ecosystem citizen and using the Mac App Store. OneNote is visually pleasant, at the same time familiar to Windows users but not foreign to those accustomed to Mac OS.
- Haul4ss 13y ago
  That's odd, because I have the OneDrive client for Mac and iPad. But I'm using the consumer version tied to my outlook.com account. I've been an Evernote user for years, but now that it's available on all my platforms, I'll at least give OneNote a test drive.
orthecreedence 13y ago
It's early stage, but try https://turtl.it https://turtl.it. Works on mac. Encrypts everything. Offline mode is in the works. Disclosure: I built it.
- SquareWheel 13y ago
  I like how you can run your own server. Have you considered integration with services like Dropbox? That's my go-to for syncing data between systems. I understand that would make monetizing the product more difficult though.
  - orthecreedence 13y ago
    You aren't the first to suggest this and it would possibly make it easier for people to get started. There are two main problems though: monetization (as you brought up), and also the fact that many privacy-conscious individuals may not even have a Dropbox account to begin with because of its implications. I'm always open to suggestions though. If there was a viable way to charge for Turtl while also making it easier for people to adopt, I'm all ears =]. I think it would be hard to charge a one-time download fee for an open-source app though (and open source is essential for anything dealing with crypto).
    - SquareWheel 13y ago
      I'm honestly not sure what the best way to do that would be. Perhaps a guide on your website of how to configure the server to sync via Dropbox (or other syncing folders), but with a request for donations at the top and bottom of the article. "If you found this useful, please consider..." Does that ever work? I couldn't tell you.
rrtwo 13y ago
Same issue, installed and remove right after.

batoure 13y ago

>I installed it and found out there is no option for offline notebooks; It scares me the way this seems to be a statement on the future of Microsoft office. The windows 8.1 styled version of onenote functions the same way. It is also crippled so that you can't lock sections the way that you could in onenote for desktop.

sliverstorm 13y ago

What, are you afraid the NSA is going to steal your business ideas? Of all the things I would not want spooks snooping, my meeting scrapbook is pretty low on the list.

ChuckMcM 13y ago
Don't be silly, local notebooks are a really useful thing when flying and when out of range of cell service (like camping, which is a great time for continual thinking without distraction). Without a capability for offline notes it will be less useful than if it had that capability.
- bjtitus 13y ago
  You can work offline just fine. Notebooks will sync when you are back online. Seems like that covers all of your use cases just fine. Not sure how well the merges work in practice, though.
  - ChuckMcM 13y ago
    > Not sure how well the merges work in practice, though. Not too well in Evernote has been my experience. It seems like every time I work on something offline for any length of time it gets into a manual merge bucket.
  - thinkling 13y ago
    So there's a local cached copy that you can back up if you're a stickler for keeping local backups of your data?
dpatriarche 13y ago
I guess it depends on what you keep in your notebooks. Business notes in the cloud, fine. Personal stuff I keep notes on -- medical history, financial info, etc. -- all in the cloud, possibly encrypted with some key owned by MS also in their cloud, living forever? Nope.

gum_ina_package 13y ago

The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. Everything is synced with the cloud.

dpatriarche 13y ago
Which is great! My business is based on cloud computing. I totally see the value of syncing my business notes through the cloud to my other devices. But I need the option of flagging certain notebooks as private and not to be synced. So I guess I'll stick with Yojimbo for personal notes.
- orthecreedence 13y ago
  Or try Turtl (https://turtl.it https://turtl.it). We're early stage, but everything is private by default (client-side encrypted) before syncing to "the cloud." Your data is available everywhere but completely private. This is great for small businesses who don't want to have to worry about whether what they're uploading is sensitive or not. Disclosure: I'm the one building it =].
runjake 13y ago
> The future is in the cloud though, and OneNote has always > (for the ~3 years I've been using it) worked this way. No, it has not always "worked this way" and it still doesn't across the board. I've been using OneNote for ~13 years (since the 2000 version). And in fact, the Windows versions continue to support offline notebooks despite Microsoft's attempts to shoehorn people onto the cloud. A rather common OneNote usage scenario I see is a OneNote notebook on a company file share, or a shared Dropbox folder. OneNote supports multiple concurrent edits of a single notebook. Not everyone wants everything in the cloud.
- s3r3nity 13y ago
  "shared Dropbox folder" is still the cloud, just not Microsoft's.
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tass 13y ago

This is going to mean I can't use it, unfortunately. At least not at work. A lot of businesses don't allow sharing work-related information with other businesses.

clauretano 13y ago

and no OneDrive for Business support still. Really tough to sell any company on using that service unless they're a homogenous Windows environment. "It's kinda like DropBox except you have to always use Windows". Microsoft: supporting BYOD as long as you're bringing Windows. On a positive note, it's nice to see Microsoft being a good ecosystem citizen and using the Mac App Store. OneNote is visually pleasant, at the same time familiar to Windows users but not foreign to those accustomed to Mac OS.

Haul4ss 13y ago
That's odd, because I have the OneDrive client for Mac and iPad. But I'm using the consumer version tied to my outlook.com account. I've been an Evernote user for years, but now that it's available on all my platforms, I'll at least give OneNote a test drive.

orthecreedence 13y ago

It's early stage, but try https://turtl.it https://turtl.it. Works on mac. Encrypts everything. Offline mode is in the works. Disclosure: I built it.

SquareWheel 13y ago
I like how you can run your own server. Have you considered integration with services like Dropbox? That's my go-to for syncing data between systems. I understand that would make monetizing the product more difficult though.
- orthecreedence 13y ago
  You aren't the first to suggest this and it would possibly make it easier for people to get started. There are two main problems though: monetization (as you brought up), and also the fact that many privacy-conscious individuals may not even have a Dropbox account to begin with because of its implications. I'm always open to suggestions though. If there was a viable way to charge for Turtl while also making it easier for people to adopt, I'm all ears =]. I think it would be hard to charge a one-time download fee for an open-source app though (and open source is essential for anything dealing with crypto).
  - SquareWheel 13y ago
    I'm honestly not sure what the best way to do that would be. Perhaps a guide on your website of how to configure the server to sync via Dropbox (or other syncing folders), but with a request for donations at the top and bottom of the article. "If you found this useful, please consider..." Does that ever work? I couldn't tell you.

rrtwo 13y ago

Same issue, installed and remove right after.