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Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud
- fdask 13y ago"OwnCloud is basically Dropbox, without the data limits and pricing restrictions. The only catch is that you have to run and install OwnCloud on your own server" Your own server which adds its own data limits and pricing restrictions.
- albinoloverats 13y agoTrue, but signing up with someone like OwnCube are cheaper than Dropbox - and if you really want it you can get SSH access (for sshfs) too ;)
- dspillett 13y ago> Your own server which adds its own data limits and pricing restrictions. And potential reliability issues too. The storage infrastructure of something like dropbox will (or at least should) be massively redundant to reduce to near-zero the risk of people losing data due to hardware fault. With something like OwnCloud you need to provide your own live redundancy and backups if your data is important enough to need them. Having said that I'm looking at using OwnCloud for myself, and might suggest the group I work for use it too if my experiments with it show it to match out needs. But do be aware of what else services like dropbox provide that you need to manage and support yourself when replacing them with an in-house service.
- henryaj 13y ago"ERROR 500 - INTERNAL SERVER ERROR" Can't seem to get a cached version either.
- ToastyMallows 13y agoBlocked by IT under the category of Pornography. Guess I'll read it later?
- rexreed 13y agoMy guess a generic domain keyword block of "dork"? Remind me not to register a domain like that for my next must-have business app.
- orjan 13y agoOne aspect that is overlooked here is the actual safety of your data. If you feel that your own server has the safety and backup resources of e.g. Amazon (which Dropbox uses), you're probably deluding yourself.
- zeidrich 13y agoYou can manage your own backups, and then you don't have to feel how safe your data is, you can know it. If you aren't worrying about petabytes of data, you can run your own scheduled backup, take a copy off site, and test it regularly. With Dropbox, you're right that they have more overall resources, but you also have no way to audit their processes. Other cloud services have lost people data. If you want to be secure in your data, you need a way to audit those processes, so you would need to do it yourself anyways. If I know I have a known good backup in a fire resistant box off site, I know I'll have access to that data later. If I have data in Dropbox and then the next day it's gone and they don't return my inquiries, that's a possibility. Maybe they get shut down without warning for hosting copyrighted materials like megaupload. Maybe they have been cutting costs by gambling on the safety of your data. Maybe they get attacked and all of their online backups get destroyed, and they don't have an offline copy. When I look at Dropbox's backup policy they tell me what is backed up, but they don't tell me how. I just have to trust them. But I really know nothing about them.
- icebraining 13y agoBackup is irrelevant, you can always encrypt it and send to S3. As for safety, well, at least you're a considerably less visible and worthy target than Dropbox. And you can implement systems (e.g., stronger authentication) that Dropbox might disregard since they're targeting a less technical user base. Personally, I use git-annex as my sync server, and all non-local transmissions are done over SSH using public key authentication, which is something that Dropbox will never implement.
- orjan 13y agoI'm not arguing that you can't have a private server that's secure. I'm arguing that setting up an OwnCloud box is probably more insecure than using Dropbox.
- 1986v 13y agoI have always felt that OwnCloud was just a personal "fun" alternative to great services like Dropbox. The DropBox business package, for the price, is not bad all in my own opinion.
- j_s 13y agoRead the article here: https://web.archive.org/web/20140130215227/http://dorktech.com/why-i-dropped-dropbox-and-got-owncloud/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140130215227/http://dorktech.c... or here: http://pastebin.com/pudxiTmC http://pastebin.com/pudxiTmC
- frankphilips 13y agoOwnCloud got Pwned
- bittercynic 13y agoWhat do you mean?
- Angostura 13y agoI think he means their site is currently crawling under the load - I can't get the home page to come up.
- da_n 13y agoExcuse the friendly jibe but you might consider dropping Hostgator next! I really respect and find valuable the idea of OwnCloud, but I have heard so many horror stories about files being deleted, slow sync times and bug fixes being secondary to the development of new features I have been put off. Has it now matured and can be considered more viable? I have been using BitTorrent Sync (with a Raspberry Pi as 24/7 server) personally and have experienced zero issues. I wish it was open source but it is great as an alternative to DropBox if 'owning your data' is important to you.
- jnamaya 13y agoWe implemented owncloud in our company of about 500 users spread out in 33 countries last year, and besides some minor glitches with some users ( mostly user errors ) the implementation has been very successful. our original purpose of owncloud was for people to have a backup of their working files in our server ( because they travel a lot and equipment loss rate is high ) but they are now using owncloud for file sharing and work collaboration...we use server version 5 with the latest client which right now is 1.5. some teams in our company were using dropbox, but now are using owncloud...I guess for security reasons.
- jgillich 13y ago> I have about 400GB of data backed up and synced between all my offices onto external drives at each location I can't even get it to synch 100MB properly. I'm using ownCloud for about a year now and I run into issues all the time. Simply put a Git repo in your ownCloud folder and it will never stop synching.
- synchrone 13y agoI cannot find your github issue about that. Could you paste a link, if you managed to find 10 minutes of your precious time to post the reproduce-scenario during your 1 year long struggle?
- jgillich 13y agoIt's been reported a at least once already, see[1]. However, I don't see why I am required to create an issue before I am allowed to complain. OwnCloud has tons of open issues on GitHub, I'm sure there are doing their best to solve them already. [1]: https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/2470 https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/2470
- Karunamon 13y agoBeen there, done that, switched back to Dropbox. Dropbox has a very nice API that everybody has integration with.
- mokkol 13y agoNext post: Why I dropped HostGator.com and got <xxxx>
- minimaxir 13y agoHitting #3 on Hacker News will murder any website which uses shared hosting. It happened to me with Dreamhost, and it got so bad that my website was irrevocably corrupted. Needless to say, I switched away.
- ceejayoz 13y agoHN will definitely cause trouble for shared hosting, but I'd move away from HostGator because they're serving a giant ad for their own service on the 500 error page.
- z3bra 13y agoDropbox secure? A joke. One key to open all.
- Karunamon 13y agoThis is why you just upload a Truecrypt or similar volume for things that absolutely must be private.
- runjake 13y ago> OwnCloud is basically Dropbox, without the data limits and pricing restrictions. There's some pretty huge caveats in the above statement from the article. I switched to ownCloud for a while and then switched back to Dropbox. I switched back to Dropbox for a couple reasons. First, ownCloud is written in PHP and the code (and the plugins you could add on) looked pretty janky. The UI was better than the usual open source fair, but still janky. Second, the trouble of having to worry about maintaining backups[1] for the ownCloud data store and server redundancy made the $10 a month I pay Dropbox look a lot more attractive again. And finally, a lot of iOS apps integrate with Dropbox specifically. I didn't include this as an official third item, because fuck vendor lock-in, but it is nice to have when you're in a walled-garden environment like iOS. In the end, I decided that I was better off overall sticking with Dropbox and doing a better job of encrypting particularly-sensitive data that resides there. Dropbox has had some security incidents and stability issues, but they've always responded to them in a manner I would consider sufficient. I'm paying Dropbox for it's service (SaaS, after all), not it's storage. I'm paying them to worry about keeping things up and running. Not because I can't do it myself, but because I want to devote my limited time to other things. 1. Let me explain. I still do backups on the client side with a mix of Time Machine, CarbonCopyCloner, and tar. So my data's safe. But I still need to worry about backing up the ownCloud instance, as well. Because if that gets munged up, I can't use ownCloud anymore without reinstalling and reconfiguring it. With Dropbox, they worry about the back end, so that I can focus on other things that I want to focus on.
- rayanm 13y agoI was also looking to host my own cloud service. I tried OwnCloud (2 weeks ago) and I was fascinated by it... Well until it failed me and lost my test data. There is a major bug in it (try renaming a directory by changing one letter from small to capital). That being said, I started using BitTorrentSync which is a peer to peer sync and I am happy with it so far and I am still testing it.
- jaredstenquist 13y agoI've experienced the same bugs. Also using underscores, or asterisk breaks everything silently. No error or attempt to tell you not to do it.
- enscr 13y agoHow exactly does it (BitTorr..) sync data between my mobile & my laptop? If I have 100 Gigabytes of pics on my laptop. Will it attempt to copy it on my phone or does it cache a small portion? Does that need internet connection or will ad-hoc wifi work?
- jablan 13y agoAFAIK, it'll try to copy it all. However, the practice is to separate content in a number of folders and sync only certain folders on certain devices. Slightly different approach than Dropbox, but works OK.
- dpacmittal 13y agoI feel https://github.com/mycozycloud/cozy-setup https://github.com/mycozycloud/cozy-setup should have a special mention here since it looks more polished and stable than ownCloud.
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- acomjean 13y agoI use owncloud, as a document repository for a non-profit. It replaces google drive for us. It doesn't see a ton of use but has worked well for us as a simple document archive. I did like the fact that you can go into linux and find where the files are stored and back them up.
- xacaxulu 13y agoWhy I dropped Hostgator for anything else.
- monksy 13y agoOwnCloud did not work for the needs of my friend and I. However, I absolutely love Seafile. It sallows for you to share files based on groups and folders.
- seth429 13y agoI've been pretty happy with Space Monkey (http://spacemonkey.com http://spacemonkey.com) -- 1TB of local and remote backup, $199 for the device and free first year, remote backup $49 after the first year if you want to keep doing it. And I have access to the full 1TB as if the files were local, even on my measly 120G macbook air, since the filesystem is backed by the network. It's kinda cool.
- aabalkan 13y agoGetting hostgator HTTP 500. (why the fk in the world someone chooses hostgator as their error page) I am quite suprised how people are so successful at not handling Hacker News load? Even my $5 handled #1 on HN for hours with %0.1 CPU load.
- coldtea 13y agoOr you know, they could not care less.
- billyhoffman 13y agoAgreed on the janky-ness of it all. If you are switching to ownCloud because you want to control your date, I'd suggest Transporter. http://www.filetransporter.com/ http://www.filetransporter.com/
- SethMurphy 13y agoIf you install OwnCloud on one server, it's not a cloud, but just remote file storage. IMHO cloud implies redundancy and reliability, not just "on a server on the internet"
- jaredstenquist 13y agoI've been trying for days to get OwnCloud working properly with for my 30 person startup. I wish I could say it was going great but I'm a couple hours away from trying out DropBox for business. I went with Ubuntu, 200GB EBS, M1X-large and the latest OwnCloud (6.0.1 stable) Syncing has been brutal. We have a 100MB connection, and even the few test users I've put on it all are complaining of it not consistently syncing. Additionally there is no LAN Sync like Dropbox, so you're paying for all the bandwidth. Since i't at somewhere between $250-300 for OwnCloud and it's been working so poorly, the $450/month for Dropbox isn't looking as bad. It's a shame. There is good potential here, but as others mentioned the UI is really janky, and it doesn't consistently work as expected.
- soundsop 13y agoHave you considered the AeroFS (https://www.aerofs.com/pricing https://www.aerofs.com/pricing)? I have not used AeroFS, but it would be on my list to evaluate for your use case, especially if external storage is undesirable. Pricing seems in line with Dropbox for Business, although this does not take into account the cost of maintaining your own storage.
- grandpa 13y agoMirror: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dorktech.com/why-i-dropped-dropbox-and-got-owncloud/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
- cdrewsgo 13y agoOwnCloud is jelly because DropBox just got that money.
- Timmmmbob 13y agoI just wish it wasn't written in PHP. Makes me not entirely trust it.
- scottydelta 13y agoI use Amazon EC2 and I can assure its not a feasible solution due to the bandwidth it will consume.
- junto 13y agoI run OwnCloud on my Synology NAS at home. The Synology has got dynamic DNS and I have then CNAMED the synology.me address with cloud.mydomain.com. The sync client seems OK to me and I can access my files and contacts remotely. Everything goes over SSL with a free StartSSL cert. I also use dropbox for work stuff that I don't care about from a privacy perspective. Overall I'm happy with OwnCloud. Sadly they don't have an officially supported OwnCloud package for Synology, but you can have everything I guess.
- CompleteMoron2 13y agoJust a quick smattering of thoughts: You can get free DropBox space when you buy android tablets and phones. I think between a tablet and a htcone I scored like 500GB's at Dropbox. Public cloud is not for sensitive data - its for transferring lame documents and media between places. Usually the people who are worried about security for data in public forums usually dont actually have any data anyone wants to steal.
- kuebelreiter 13y agoIf you want to spend your time being your Owncloud admin use it. Security updates, finding reasons for Error 500 after updates and version upgrades - there's always something to do, you never will be bored. If you just want a solution to sync data with your server use bittorrent sync.