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Our startup Lambda (http://getlambda.com http://getlambda.com) competes with both, but we're not the least bit concerned. I already thought of elance/odesk as b

by leknarf 13y ago

Our startup Lambda (http://getlambda.com http://getlambda.com) competes with both, but we're not the least bit concerned. I already thought of elance/odesk as being effectively the same, in the sense that they're both known as places to find cheap, off-shore labor. I don't know any devs in NYC who've seriously considered working through either site and don't expect that to change. Likewise, I don't know many hiring companies that have used their sites for anything more than throwaway projects. We have a few other competitors targeting the high-end of the freelancer market, but that's still open territory.

k-mcgrady 13y ago
I've been working through Freelancer/Elance for about 5 years now. I'm quite an experienced iOS dev and typically only apply to the higher priced jobs which then tend to lead on to repeat work. I just took a look at your site. Although I would consider myself quite experienced I'm not a 'rockstar'. What kind of devs do you accept to join Lambda? What do you consider an 'exceptional developer'?
- leknarf 13y ago
  That's interesting. I love to talk with you sometime about your experience with those higher priced jobs. I'm particularly curious about what kinds of clients are mosting higher price jobs on elance, since our experience has been that it's mostly a race to the bottom. Could you send me an email: andrew at getlambda dotcom For the types of projects we work with, "exceptional developers" might be better described as "competent developers, great entrepreneurs". Of course, that wouldn't be ideal marketing copy :) In general, raw technical ability isn't a huge factor in commanding higher rates. There's definitely a minimum threshold someone needs to pass, but you'd probably clear that easily if you've been freelancing for 5+ years. Instead of learning to code faster, you'd be better served by learning to code less. Clients often have big ideas that would take 6+ months to build in their entirety, but which could be shipped in weeks by eliminating unnecessary features. Convincing them to cut those features is a skill in of itself, which is often what separates "freelancers" from "consultants".
  - k-mcgrady 13y ago
    Cheers, sent you an email.
memracom 13y ago
I think that your minimum rate is too high. A lot of developers would like to branch out and get experience with new technology but with a minimum rate of $100/hr you really can only offer your most familiar language/platform. Someone with 10 years of building Java apps, could build pretty good Android or iOS apps, if they could find a customer who would accept that career history at a lower rate. Honestly, I think that a $25/hr minimum would make more sense and is more in line with the real world.
- brianwawok 13y ago
  There are already tons of websites for cheap consultants. Why would they create 1 more? I think it is good they have a differentiating feature.
  - krapp 13y ago
    There is a strata between "cheap" and "elite" which doesn't seem to be served by either.
irlib 13y ago
> We have a few other competitors targeting the high-end of the freelancer market, but that's still open territory. Could you please name a few?

by leknarf 13y ago

k-mcgrady 13y ago

I've been working through Freelancer/Elance for about 5 years now. I'm quite an experienced iOS dev and typically only apply to the higher priced jobs which then tend to lead on to repeat work. I just took a look at your site. Although I would consider myself quite experienced I'm not a 'rockstar'. What kind of devs do you accept to join Lambda? What do you consider an 'exceptional developer'?

leknarf 13y ago
That's interesting. I love to talk with you sometime about your experience with those higher priced jobs. I'm particularly curious about what kinds of clients are mosting higher price jobs on elance, since our experience has been that it's mostly a race to the bottom. Could you send me an email: andrew at getlambda dotcom For the types of projects we work with, "exceptional developers" might be better described as "competent developers, great entrepreneurs". Of course, that wouldn't be ideal marketing copy :) In general, raw technical ability isn't a huge factor in commanding higher rates. There's definitely a minimum threshold someone needs to pass, but you'd probably clear that easily if you've been freelancing for 5+ years. Instead of learning to code faster, you'd be better served by learning to code less. Clients often have big ideas that would take 6+ months to build in their entirety, but which could be shipped in weeks by eliminating unnecessary features. Convincing them to cut those features is a skill in of itself, which is often what separates "freelancers" from "consultants".
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  Cheers, sent you an email.

memracom 13y ago

I think that your minimum rate is too high. A lot of developers would like to branch out and get experience with new technology but with a minimum rate of $100/hr you really can only offer your most familiar language/platform. Someone with 10 years of building Java apps, could build pretty good Android or iOS apps, if they could find a customer who would accept that career history at a lower rate. Honestly, I think that a $25/hr minimum would make more sense and is more in line with the real world.

brianwawok 13y ago
There are already tons of websites for cheap consultants. Why would they create 1 more? I think it is good they have a differentiating feature.
- krapp 13y ago
  There is a strata between "cheap" and "elite" which doesn't seem to be served by either.

irlib 13y ago

> We have a few other competitors targeting the high-end of the freelancer market, but that's still open territory. Could you please name a few?