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The current price hike is made in China. Better to look there for hints as to when the bubble will burst.

by yaix 13y ago

jackgavigan 13y ago
+1. In my opinion, the Chinese government has effective control over the price of bitcoins right now. Obviously they can't dictate the price but, if they decide to restrict bitcoin trading, the price would plunge.
- kolev 13y ago
  It would plunge temporarily, for sure, but not for long. Plus, why would the Chinese government do it?!
  - jackgavigan 13y ago
    To prevent people from shifting their wealth from CNY into USD.
    - kolev 13y ago
      Putting their wealth into Bitcoin isn't putting it into USD - on the contrary. The Chinese exchanges are all in CNY, dollar isn't mention there at all, which creates a number of issues like psychological levels being different and CNY/USD ratio varying on its own.
      - jackgavigan 13y ago
        You're missing the point. China has implemented capital controls to prevent individuals from moving large amounts of wealth out of China. See http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/120418/money-laundering-bo-xilai-gu-kailai-neil-heywood http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific... for some background (or just do a Google search for china capital controls). A Chinese citizen could conceivably bypass those controls by (1) depositing renminbi (i.e. CNY) into a BitChina account, (2) buying bitcoins, (3) transfering them to a non-Chinese exchange (e.g. MtGox, BTC-e, BitStamp), where they (4) sell them for USD.
        kolev 13y ago
        This is true, but both BTCChina and OKCoin have no option, but to start working with the Chinese government (BTCChina already started) and will provide control mechanisms, which isn't necessarily a bad news for Bitcoin as people try to present it. Also, due to major mining operations happening in China, there's inflow of capital to China, so, I don't think the government will have a problem with that.
- taylorm 13y ago
  Looks like its making a move now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25233224 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25233224

The current price hike is made in China. Better to look there for hints as to when the bubble will burst.

by yaix 13y ago

The current price hike is made in China. Better to look there for hints as to when the bubble will burst.

+1. In my opinion, the Chinese government has effective control over the price of bitcoins right now. Obviously they can't dictate the price but, if they decide to restrict bitcoin trading, the price would plunge.

kolev 13y ago
It would plunge temporarily, for sure, but not for long. Plus, why would the Chinese government do it?!
- jackgavigan 13y ago
  To prevent people from shifting their wealth from CNY into USD.
  - kolev 13y ago
    Putting their wealth into Bitcoin isn't putting it into USD - on the contrary. The Chinese exchanges are all in CNY, dollar isn't mention there at all, which creates a number of issues like psychological levels being different and CNY/USD ratio varying on its own.
    - jackgavigan 13y ago
      You're missing the point. China has implemented capital controls to prevent individuals from moving large amounts of wealth out of China. See http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/120418/money-laundering-bo-xilai-gu-kailai-neil-heywood http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific... for some background (or just do a Google search for china capital controls). A Chinese citizen could conceivably bypass those controls by (1) depositing renminbi (i.e. CNY) into a BitChina account, (2) buying bitcoins, (3) transfering them to a non-Chinese exchange (e.g. MtGox, BTC-e, BitStamp), where they (4) sell them for USD.
      - kolev 13y ago
        This is true, but both BTCChina and OKCoin have no option, but to start working with the Chinese government (BTCChina already started) and will provide control mechanisms, which isn't necessarily a bad news for Bitcoin as people try to present it. Also, due to major mining operations happening in China, there's inflow of capital to China, so, I don't think the government will have a problem with that.
taylorm 13y ago
Looks like its making a move now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25233224 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25233224