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I think a better argument is that Mozilla needs to diversify its revenue sources. Chrome is taking away marketshare from Firefox thanks to advertising and payin

by shooper 13y ago

I think a better argument is that Mozilla needs to diversify its revenue sources. Chrome is taking away marketshare from Firefox thanks to advertising and paying a lot to be bundled with Java, Flash, Acrobat etc. updates or just being shipped as default by the PC OEMs. It makes sense for Google because then they needn't pay out so much to Mozilla. For many non tech folks where I had replaced IE with Firefox, I now see them using Chrome, and when I asked if they installed it, they usually have no idea how it got on their computer. This is a real danger that Firefox and Mozilla face. Not sure what's the state now but a few years ago the CEO was being paid ~400K/yr to run Mozilla Corp. For that kind of money, one would expect that Mozilla would have more diverse revenue than being a one-trick pony.

Touche 13y ago
I wish I could find a "market share over time" chart but I can't. Anyways, IIRC I don't believe Chrome is still taking (much) aware from Firefox. They did for a long time but then flattened. Recently Chrome has dipped a little and Firefox is up: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/01/ie11-takes-1-49-market-share-firefox-gains-bit-chrome-hits-27-month-low/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/01/ie11-takes-1-49-mar...
- riquito 13y ago
  Arstechnica has always nice plots based on netmarketshare.com Here is a recent article: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/internet-explorer-continues-to-grow-and-mavericks-already-on-11-percent-of-macs/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/intern...
- deelowe 13y ago
  Does this count? http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/
- jmpe 13y ago
  w3schools is relatively small but their stats are good: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp And there's also Google trends.
zobzu 13y ago
", I now see them using Chrome, and when I asked if they installed it, they usually have no idea how it got on their computer" I tend to see that too. its pretty evil too. get flash update? chrome bundled at random. navigate google sites? site may not display correctly unless you download this "link to chrome" and so and so forth. for many users its confusing and they don't know how it happened or how to go back.
judk 13y ago
On a purely market basis, 400k buys talent comparable to a senior manager / director of the Chrome or Safari team of ~100 people, not a VP or CEO of a company with $100m annual revenue. $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn.
- eitally 13y ago
  Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps you are accurate with the first half of the first sentence, but unless your definition of VP doesn't match what medium/large corporations actually consider to be VPs (in technical areas), you are completely wrong.
- dingaling 13y ago
  > $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn. Or a little under twice that of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ( pop. 60 million ), when summing his MP and Government jobs. The combined ministerial and parliamentary salary of the Prime Minister is £142,500 at April 2013 I'm fairly confident in saying that David Cameron puts in considerably more effort than the CEO of Mozilla. I really don't see how anyone can justify $400k for such a job.
  - jordanthoms 13y ago
    Salary isn't based on effort, it's based on value created and how difficult it is to find someone else who could create that value.
  - philwelch 13y ago
    Getting to be PM is its own reward.
  - TheCoelacanth 13y ago
    No one goes into a political office because they want the salary. Any one who can get there is usually already rich enough that the salary doesn't make much difference. If you consider the amount of money they spend campaigning, they effectively end up paying to have the job. They take the job because of the power that comes with the job, not because of the salary.
myko 13y ago
> For many non tech folks where I had replaced IE with Firefox, I now see them using Chrome, and when I asked if they installed it, they usually have no idea how it got on their computer. Chrome probably got there the same way Firefox got there - a well meaning individual (you, in the case of Firefox) installed it and told them to use it because it is "better".
- deleted 13y ago
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- SkyMarshal 13y ago
  Also b/c anytime you visit Google.com on any non-Chrome browser, it tells you to install Chrome for faster browsing. Google.com is so sparse that Chrome ad sticking out on the side is quite effective.
SloopJon 13y ago
When I installed Flash Player on a Windows laptop recently, I was surprised to see a download bundle featuring Chrome. I thought it was the other way around: install Chrome and you get Flash whether you want it or not.

by shooper 13y ago

Touche 13y ago

I wish I could find a "market share over time" chart but I can't. Anyways, IIRC I don't believe Chrome is still taking (much) aware from Firefox. They did for a long time but then flattened. Recently Chrome has dipped a little and Firefox is up: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/01/ie11-takes-1-49-market-share-firefox-gains-bit-chrome-hits-27-month-low/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/01/ie11-takes-1-49-mar...

riquito 13y ago
Arstechnica has always nice plots based on netmarketshare.com Here is a recent article: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/internet-explorer-continues-to-grow-and-mavericks-already-on-11-percent-of-macs/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/intern...
deelowe 13y ago
Does this count? http://gs.statcounter.com/ http://gs.statcounter.com/
jmpe 13y ago
w3schools is relatively small but their stats are good: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp And there's also Google trends.

zobzu 13y ago

", I now see them using Chrome, and when I asked if they installed it, they usually have no idea how it got on their computer" I tend to see that too. its pretty evil too. get flash update? chrome bundled at random. navigate google sites? site may not display correctly unless you download this "link to chrome" and so and so forth. for many users its confusing and they don't know how it happened or how to go back.

judk 13y ago

On a purely market basis, 400k buys talent comparable to a senior manager / director of the Chrome or Safari team of ~100 people, not a VP or CEO of a company with $100m annual revenue. $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn.

eitally 13y ago
Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps you are accurate with the first half of the first sentence, but unless your definition of VP doesn't match what medium/large corporations actually consider to be VPs (in technical areas), you are completely wrong.
dingaling 13y ago
> $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn. Or a little under twice that of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ( pop. 60 million ), when summing his MP and Government jobs. The combined ministerial and parliamentary salary of the Prime Minister is £142,500 at April 2013 I'm fairly confident in saying that David Cameron puts in considerably more effort than the CEO of Mozilla. I really don't see how anyone can justify $400k for such a job.
- jordanthoms 13y ago
  Salary isn't based on effort, it's based on value created and how difficult it is to find someone else who could create that value.
- philwelch 13y ago
  Getting to be PM is its own reward.
- TheCoelacanth 13y ago
  No one goes into a political office because they want the salary. Any one who can get there is usually already rich enough that the salary doesn't make much difference. If you consider the amount of money they spend campaigning, they effectively end up paying to have the job. They take the job because of the power that comes with the job, not because of the salary.

myko 13y ago

> For many non tech folks where I had replaced IE with Firefox, I now see them using Chrome, and when I asked if they installed it, they usually have no idea how it got on their computer. Chrome probably got there the same way Firefox got there - a well meaning individual (you, in the case of Firefox) installed it and told them to use it because it is "better".

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SkyMarshal 13y ago
Also b/c anytime you visit Google.com on any non-Chrome browser, it tells you to install Chrome for faster browsing. Google.com is so sparse that Chrome ad sticking out on the side is quite effective.

SloopJon 13y ago

When I installed Flash Player on a Windows laptop recently, I was surprised to see a download bundle featuring Chrome. I thought it was the other way around: install Chrome and you get Flash whether you want it or not.