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Looks like this submission is getting flagged as well. I guess this story really isn't showing Google is good light if Google fans are in such heavy damage cont

Looks like this submission is getting flagged as well. I guess this story really isn't showing Google is good light if Google fans are in such heavy damage control mode. It looks like they have a veto on what appears on the HN front page. Look, you may not like Microsoft and even its response but why try to bury a legitimate news item? Are there not enough Google I/O posts related stories topping the the front page? Can anyone who flagged this and the other related stories come out and tell us why they feel the need to abuse their moderator privileges? From the HN guidelines: "If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.)" Looks like PG didn't guess that people with good karma will want to abuse it to bury stories they don't want others to see in such a constant way.

CloudNine 13y ago
Well, all I can say is that some Google fans, employees and shareholders seem to be just like Google, espouse openness etc. but be the first to quell free speech if it shows their company in a bad way. And there are a lot of such folks on here and looks like they form a Digg-style bury brigade.
iamshs 13y ago
What? How is it being flagged? I think the community on here is balanced, and discussions are free of any vitriol.
- recoiledsnake 13y ago
  This is a regular occurrence on Microsoft related stories which don't show it in a bad light and anti-Google stories. See #26 on the front page: 26.Where Is .Net Headed? (odetocode.com) 5 points by wubbfindel 44 minutes ago | 1 comment How come that story is on the front page but this one with triple the points and submitted almost at the exact same time isn't? 35. Microsoft responds to YouTube demands, 'more than happy' to include ads (theverge.com) 14 points by CloudNine 48 minutes ago | 9 comments Even benign Surface Pro reviews are flagged by the high-karma Gods, can't have them hurting Chromebook sales. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4849814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4849814
  - iamshs 13y ago
    Ah. I get it. I get it. Google data centre post has less points than this one, but is on the main page and so is the .net one, which i guess is anti-MS one. Thank you for the explanation.
  - userbee 13y ago
    readers, friends, consider this: most of these posts and comments have less than one thousand votes. the daily or hourly readership at this fine establishment far outstrips that. what we have here is a selective democracy, or whatever academics call it. it's what happens when a very small proportion of your participants actively vote. they can be dominated by 'vocal minorities'. welcome to hacker news. welcome to usa. welcome.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Hacker News removes users' ability to flag articles if they abuse it. Just for shits and giggles I am going to perform an experiment: every time someone shrilly declares that MS articles are being mercilessness flagged by upset Google employees, I am going to flag the article as well. My money is on my flagging ability not remaining intact for very long.
  - iamshs 13y ago
    And how will that be a good experiment at all with one data point? Are you trying to find out the criteria of how they decide to remove the ability? I do not think it is limited to MS articles only.
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Obviously it cannot be a good experiment. It is for shits and giggles. I never bother to flag anymore, if I manage to have the ability removed by only flagging MS articles over the next few days then I am going to take that as a mild indication that all of the people whining about MS posts being flagged really just have persecution complexes and are not actually onto anything. If I don't have the ability removed, that suggests nothing at all.
  - recoiledsnake 13y ago
    The flagging ability is removed if you do a lot of flagging in a very short time, like the poster who didn't like all Steve Jobs posts on front page when he passed away and flagged them all and lost his flagging ability. Microsoft related articles don't show up that frequently to cause that, especially because people don't even bother submitting them because 1. they don't get upvotes(because of HN's makeup) 2. If they happen to get upvotes they're flagged by overzealous Microsoft haters. Anyway, if you think I am misguided, what's the alternative explanation of this and every other instance of such things? I am genuinely curious. This article: http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png Just a few more instances: http://i.imgur.com/ADMcanz.png http://i.imgur.com/ADMcanz.png http://i.imgur.com/Yg5kXJb.png http://i.imgur.com/Yg5kXJb.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png Why would someone want to flag a review of the Surface Pro review from Anandtech of all places? Note that a new Chromebook announcement was #1 for all day on that day. Want to see more instances of such mod abuse? A user complaining about this happening to Apple related stories as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4850128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4850128
- arindone 13y ago
  I don't know -- at the time of this reply 12/30 top links were Google related. Google does some interesting stuff but the Tech world isn't THAT small.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Non-conspiratorial explanation: Google I/O was today.
    - cooldeal 13y ago
      Non-non-conspiratorial explanation: Google fans are flagging other stories like this on so that Google I/O get the maximum exposure. :) Edit: I thought the smiley at the end would show I was joking?
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        So now it isn't just Microsoft posts that are getting flagged, but everything not Google? Give me a break, that will absolutely get your flagging privileges revoked, and quickly. Does it really surprise you that Google is receiving large amounts of exposure today? Really? Edit: Apologies, I assumed your intentions poorly.
    - arindone 13y ago
      Ah that explains it. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories in general, but it definitely was suspicious at first =)
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        I can understand that. Any other day I would find it suspicious as well.
pyre 13y ago
| Looks like this submission is getting flagged as well. Do you have access to information that the rest of us don't? How do you know if this story is getting flagged or not?

CloudNine 13y ago

Well, all I can say is that some Google fans, employees and shareholders seem to be just like Google, espouse openness etc. but be the first to quell free speech if it shows their company in a bad way. And there are a lot of such folks on here and looks like they form a Digg-style bury brigade.

iamshs 13y ago

What? How is it being flagged? I think the community on here is balanced, and discussions are free of any vitriol.

recoiledsnake 13y ago
This is a regular occurrence on Microsoft related stories which don't show it in a bad light and anti-Google stories. See #26 on the front page: 26.Where Is .Net Headed? (odetocode.com) 5 points by wubbfindel 44 minutes ago | 1 comment How come that story is on the front page but this one with triple the points and submitted almost at the exact same time isn't? 35. Microsoft responds to YouTube demands, 'more than happy' to include ads (theverge.com) 14 points by CloudNine 48 minutes ago | 9 comments Even benign Surface Pro reviews are flagged by the high-karma Gods, can't have them hurting Chromebook sales. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4849814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4849814
- iamshs 13y ago
  Ah. I get it. I get it. Google data centre post has less points than this one, but is on the main page and so is the .net one, which i guess is anti-MS one. Thank you for the explanation.
- userbee 13y ago
  readers, friends, consider this: most of these posts and comments have less than one thousand votes. the daily or hourly readership at this fine establishment far outstrips that. what we have here is a selective democracy, or whatever academics call it. it's what happens when a very small proportion of your participants actively vote. they can be dominated by 'vocal minorities'. welcome to hacker news. welcome to usa. welcome.
jlgreco 13y ago
Hacker News removes users' ability to flag articles if they abuse it. Just for shits and giggles I am going to perform an experiment: every time someone shrilly declares that MS articles are being mercilessness flagged by upset Google employees, I am going to flag the article as well. My money is on my flagging ability not remaining intact for very long.
- iamshs 13y ago
  And how will that be a good experiment at all with one data point? Are you trying to find out the criteria of how they decide to remove the ability? I do not think it is limited to MS articles only.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Obviously it cannot be a good experiment. It is for shits and giggles. I never bother to flag anymore, if I manage to have the ability removed by only flagging MS articles over the next few days then I am going to take that as a mild indication that all of the people whining about MS posts being flagged really just have persecution complexes and are not actually onto anything. If I don't have the ability removed, that suggests nothing at all.
- recoiledsnake 13y ago
  The flagging ability is removed if you do a lot of flagging in a very short time, like the poster who didn't like all Steve Jobs posts on front page when he passed away and flagged them all and lost his flagging ability. Microsoft related articles don't show up that frequently to cause that, especially because people don't even bother submitting them because 1. they don't get upvotes(because of HN's makeup) 2. If they happen to get upvotes they're flagged by overzealous Microsoft haters. Anyway, if you think I am misguided, what's the alternative explanation of this and every other instance of such things? I am genuinely curious. This article: http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png Just a few more instances: http://i.imgur.com/ADMcanz.png http://i.imgur.com/ADMcanz.png http://i.imgur.com/Yg5kXJb.png http://i.imgur.com/Yg5kXJb.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png http://i.imgur.com/FbkMiCI.png Why would someone want to flag a review of the Surface Pro review from Anandtech of all places? Note that a new Chromebook announcement was #1 for all day on that day. Want to see more instances of such mod abuse? A user complaining about this happening to Apple related stories as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4850128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4850128
arindone 13y ago
I don't know -- at the time of this reply 12/30 top links were Google related. Google does some interesting stuff but the Tech world isn't THAT small.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Non-conspiratorial explanation: Google I/O was today.
  - cooldeal 13y ago
    Non-non-conspiratorial explanation: Google fans are flagging other stories like this on so that Google I/O get the maximum exposure. :) Edit: I thought the smiley at the end would show I was joking?
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      So now it isn't just Microsoft posts that are getting flagged, but everything not Google? Give me a break, that will absolutely get your flagging privileges revoked, and quickly. Does it really surprise you that Google is receiving large amounts of exposure today? Really? Edit: Apologies, I assumed your intentions poorly.
  - arindone 13y ago
    Ah that explains it. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories in general, but it definitely was suspicious at first =)
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      I can understand that. Any other day I would find it suspicious as well.

pyre 13y ago

| Looks like this submission is getting flagged as well. Do you have access to information that the rest of us don't? How do you know if this story is getting flagged or not?