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I doubt if change can come from the existing system and institutions. Wikipedia did not grow from Britannica. OpenSource did not grow from commercial software

I doubt if change can come from the existing system and institutions. Wikipedia did not grow from Britannica. OpenSource did not grow from commercial software. YouTube did not grow from Hollywood or commercial TV.

kristopolous 13y ago
what would this look like? Any ideas?
- Sven7 13y ago
  Ad supported? I really don't understand why advertising supports so much superficial BS when at the same time their customers want better targeting. The fact that so much worthless stuff gets supported to me implies there is huge scope for those wasted ad dollars to be redirected to more utilitarian ends.
  - czr80 13y ago
    The "markets" are too niche - ad supported works for mass market sites, not for specialist journals read by a few tens of people.
    - Sven7 13y ago
      Elsevier $2.7 billion revenue comes from tens of people? Any company that runs an R&D dept would be happy to advertise.
      - czr80 13y ago
        Actually, probably some journals could survive from advertising. But I'm a bit biased by thinking of mathematics journals, and trust me, you can't make that much advertising to mathematicians.
  - mkr-hn 13y ago
    Advertising is usually impression-based, so there's a powerful incentive to drip feed meaningless but easy to share and consume tidbits. Investing some of the wealth it produces into less profitable but more culturally valuable content requires a conscious decision most producers don't make. I think of Cracked when I think of a site that breaks the trend. It's usually informative and entertaining at the same time.
- lazyjones 13y ago
  Like this: http://www.doaj.org/ http://www.doaj.org/ It's up to academica to choose where to publish.
jacquesm 13y ago
> OpenSource did not grow from commercial software. But plenty of open source is in fact supported by commercial ventures.
- Flimm 13y ago
  Commercial software and open source software are intersecting sets.

kristopolous 13y ago

what would this look like? Any ideas?

Sven7 13y ago
Ad supported? I really don't understand why advertising supports so much superficial BS when at the same time their customers want better targeting. The fact that so much worthless stuff gets supported to me implies there is huge scope for those wasted ad dollars to be redirected to more utilitarian ends.
- czr80 13y ago
  The "markets" are too niche - ad supported works for mass market sites, not for specialist journals read by a few tens of people.
  - Sven7 13y ago
    Elsevier $2.7 billion revenue comes from tens of people? Any company that runs an R&D dept would be happy to advertise.
    - czr80 13y ago
      Actually, probably some journals could survive from advertising. But I'm a bit biased by thinking of mathematics journals, and trust me, you can't make that much advertising to mathematicians.
- mkr-hn 13y ago
  Advertising is usually impression-based, so there's a powerful incentive to drip feed meaningless but easy to share and consume tidbits. Investing some of the wealth it produces into less profitable but more culturally valuable content requires a conscious decision most producers don't make. I think of Cracked when I think of a site that breaks the trend. It's usually informative and entertaining at the same time.
lazyjones 13y ago
Like this: http://www.doaj.org/ http://www.doaj.org/ It's up to academica to choose where to publish.

jacquesm 13y ago

> OpenSource did not grow from commercial software. But plenty of open source is in fact supported by commercial ventures.

Flimm 13y ago
Commercial software and open source software are intersecting sets.