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Facebook does the same thing and it's just as creepy. I closed my "real" account around 2011. A few months back I created a new blank account because I needed

by Caerus 13y ago

Facebook does the same thing and it's just as creepy. I closed my "real" account around 2011. A few months back I created a new blank account because I needed access to a couple organization's pages. The only information on that account is my name (a fairly common one) and an email address which is different from the one on my original account. It's possible they have some geographic info linking the two accounts as I closed and opened them from the same city. 90% of the "people you may know" are correct and from dramatically different social groups. Some how it's picked out a girl I did a family stay with in Germany in '04, a fourth cousin I'm only vaguely aware of, current friends from several groups, and high school friends I haven't talked to in 10 years.

onemorepassword 13y ago
My first Google+ account suggested all kinds of information about me and my social graph that was clearly a two year old info dump from LinkedIn.
vidarh 13y ago
I set up a test Facebook account while doing a Facebook app that uses an e-mail address that has never been used for anything else. Yet it keeps suggesting people I actually know. The second account also does not have my full name (if it had my full name it'd be less weird, as my name to my knowledge is globally unique - there's only a few hundred people with my last name worldwide) The account has not been used for anything related to me. I've never searched for anyone from it. Never given my e-mail address there... The only thing connecting the two is that the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address, and that I've logged in to them from the same machine. It took less than a day before that account started getting friend requests from people I know (clearly the "TEST" instead of my surname did nothing to dissuade them)
- StavrosK 13y ago
  > and that I've logged in to them from the same machine Wouldn't that be a dead giveaway?
  - teraflop 13y ago
    If you can't log into Facebook from a public/shared computer without them disclosing your relationships to everyone else who uses that computer, they should make that very very clear.
    - gertef 13y ago
      They absolutely use geo-ip correlations, and it is a problem.
  - rubinelli 13y ago
    > the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address If not the machine, then surely this.
- jrochkind1 13y ago
  Cookies? From marketting networks? It's amazing how much the marketting networks can figure out about you, and keep track of you with a cookie.
  - corwinstephen 13y ago
    I'm sure this is the case. They probably keep track of all the accounts that have been logged into from your computer via a cookie, and then suggest friends based on those accounts. Creepy, but understandable.
  - stinos 13y ago
    yup seems more likely (to me at least) than matching on an ip address
- nthj 13y ago
  > The only thing connecting the two is that the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address, and that I've logged in to them from the same machine. So, to summarize, a simple regular expression matching emails against /\+[^@]+/ and replacing with '' is some 1984-level creepiness? Come on.
  - TallGuyShort 13y ago
    The technology to do any of those is little more than a few database joins and some fuzzier matching logic like you are suggesting. What's creepy is just the extent to which they match. In the email contacts theory, for example, it's not hard to remember an email address that was in a user's contacts list and then suggest they connect when that email address is used. It's only creepy because you personally had no control over giving them the information that allows them to make that leap.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    The ability to do that is not creepy. Doing it is.
- rahoulb 13y ago
  My guess is that the same machine is a big giveaway. There's a difference between leaving a trace of your presence on a shared computer accessed by many people and a computer accessed by one or two. However, if people you know found the account, then that's also something that Facebook uses - I've had "do you know X?" suggestions from people with whom I have no traceable connections (not in my address book, don't even know their email addresses) - turns out (when I asked one of them) that he had been looking at my profile (without friend-requesting me) a few days before.
- vijayr 13y ago
  They're probably using the IP. What is worse is that 1. There is no way to actually delete the data. From what I can see, they only disable the account if you ask them to delete. 2. Even if you didn't give any of your data to FB, your friends/family etc can - there is simply no way to prevent this (a friend takes a picture of you at a party, tags it with your name etc)
sk5t 13y ago
I suspect LinkedIn remembers people who looked for you but didn't try to connect, or you didn't have an account at the time. It has definitely suggested that I connect with the odd stalker with whom I have no other ties...
shaggyfrog 13y ago
Are you logging in from the same locality, perhaps the same building, perhaps from the same computer and perhaps still using the same IP as you had when you closed your account in 2011? It doesn't take a lot of work to come up with some new-user-matching-old-user algorithm with a decent success rate using geographic/IP data.
- Caerus 13y ago
  It would have been the same major metro area, but moved about 8 miles in the middle. Same ISP, different IP. Same computer, but there's no way I didn't completely clear the browser a few times in those 2 years.
  - scarmig 13y ago
    Hmmm... could the ISP be exposing your MAC address in some weird way? Or maybe Facebook is using a real-life https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/
  - dpcx 13y ago
    You could still be fairly unique. It's not a guarantee, but within some range of certainty. https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/
raverbashing 13y ago
A similar thing happened to me on Orkut It pointed to me that I probably knew a profile. This profile was a "fake profile" of a person I knew, from the description it was clear it was this person, can't tell which email was being used, and if I remember correctly it had no friends as well (or maybe only one unrelated friend)
datums 13y ago
Your ip and browser fingerprint increases the certainty that you maybe be or know the same people
awj 13y ago
Most of that knowledge is likely due to people importing their address books. From there they can link you to other email addresses and combine the identities. Creepy yes, but relatively easy to explain.
mikescoffield 13y ago
It would be interesting to see someone test this on a public, shared computer.

by Caerus 13y ago

onemorepassword 13y ago

My first Google+ account suggested all kinds of information about me and my social graph that was clearly a two year old info dump from LinkedIn.

vidarh 13y ago

I set up a test Facebook account while doing a Facebook app that uses an e-mail address that has never been used for anything else. Yet it keeps suggesting people I actually know. The second account also does not have my full name (if it had my full name it'd be less weird, as my name to my knowledge is globally unique - there's only a few hundred people with my last name worldwide) The account has not been used for anything related to me. I've never searched for anyone from it. Never given my e-mail address there... The only thing connecting the two is that the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address, and that I've logged in to them from the same machine. It took less than a day before that account started getting friend requests from people I know (clearly the "TEST" instead of my surname did nothing to dissuade them)

StavrosK 13y ago
> and that I've logged in to them from the same machine Wouldn't that be a dead giveaway?
- teraflop 13y ago
  If you can't log into Facebook from a public/shared computer without them disclosing your relationships to everyone else who uses that computer, they should make that very very clear.
  - gertef 13y ago
    They absolutely use geo-ip correlations, and it is a problem.
- rubinelli 13y ago
  > the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address If not the machine, then surely this.
jrochkind1 13y ago
Cookies? From marketting networks? It's amazing how much the marketting networks can figure out about you, and keep track of you with a cookie.
- corwinstephen 13y ago
  I'm sure this is the case. They probably keep track of all the accounts that have been logged into from your computer via a cookie, and then suggest friends based on those accounts. Creepy, but understandable.
- stinos 13y ago
  yup seems more likely (to me at least) than matching on an ip address
nthj 13y ago
> The only thing connecting the two is that the "fake" e-mail address is a "real-user-part+something@gmail.com" address, and that I've logged in to them from the same machine. So, to summarize, a simple regular expression matching emails against /\+[^@]+/ and replacing with '' is some 1984-level creepiness? Come on.
- TallGuyShort 13y ago
  The technology to do any of those is little more than a few database joins and some fuzzier matching logic like you are suggesting. What's creepy is just the extent to which they match. In the email contacts theory, for example, it's not hard to remember an email address that was in a user's contacts list and then suggest they connect when that email address is used. It's only creepy because you personally had no control over giving them the information that allows them to make that leap.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  The ability to do that is not creepy. Doing it is.
rahoulb 13y ago
My guess is that the same machine is a big giveaway. There's a difference between leaving a trace of your presence on a shared computer accessed by many people and a computer accessed by one or two. However, if people you know found the account, then that's also something that Facebook uses - I've had "do you know X?" suggestions from people with whom I have no traceable connections (not in my address book, don't even know their email addresses) - turns out (when I asked one of them) that he had been looking at my profile (without friend-requesting me) a few days before.
vijayr 13y ago
They're probably using the IP. What is worse is that 1. There is no way to actually delete the data. From what I can see, they only disable the account if you ask them to delete. 2. Even if you didn't give any of your data to FB, your friends/family etc can - there is simply no way to prevent this (a friend takes a picture of you at a party, tags it with your name etc)

sk5t 13y ago

I suspect LinkedIn remembers people who looked for you but didn't try to connect, or you didn't have an account at the time. It has definitely suggested that I connect with the odd stalker with whom I have no other ties...

shaggyfrog 13y ago

Are you logging in from the same locality, perhaps the same building, perhaps from the same computer and perhaps still using the same IP as you had when you closed your account in 2011? It doesn't take a lot of work to come up with some new-user-matching-old-user algorithm with a decent success rate using geographic/IP data.

Caerus 13y ago
It would have been the same major metro area, but moved about 8 miles in the middle. Same ISP, different IP. Same computer, but there's no way I didn't completely clear the browser a few times in those 2 years.
- scarmig 13y ago
  Hmmm... could the ISP be exposing your MAC address in some weird way? Or maybe Facebook is using a real-life https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/
- dpcx 13y ago
  You could still be fairly unique. It's not a guarantee, but within some range of certainty. https://panopticlick.eff.org/ https://panopticlick.eff.org/

raverbashing 13y ago

A similar thing happened to me on Orkut It pointed to me that I probably knew a profile. This profile was a "fake profile" of a person I knew, from the description it was clear it was this person, can't tell which email was being used, and if I remember correctly it had no friends as well (or maybe only one unrelated friend)

datums 13y ago

Your ip and browser fingerprint increases the certainty that you maybe be or know the same people

awj 13y ago

Most of that knowledge is likely due to people importing their address books. From there they can link you to other email addresses and combine the identities. Creepy yes, but relatively easy to explain.

mikescoffield 13y ago

It would be interesting to see someone test this on a public, shared computer.