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I wish I knew someone who used Opera so I could ask them to start boycotting it.
by malgorithms 13y ago
I wish I knew someone who used Opera so I could ask them to start boycotting it.
- suyash 13y agoYou can still do it, translate this blog post in Chinese and post it on Weibo. Opera Mobile is big in asia.
- w1ntermute 13y agoOr translate it into Russian. A lot of former Soviet bloc countries have high usage of Opera.
- stalled 13y agoA couple of years too late for Russian boycotts, Opera already got itself the most rapidly decreasing market share: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-RU-monthly-201103-201303 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-RU-monthly-201103-201303 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-UA-monthly-201103-201303 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-UA-monthly-201103-201303 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-BY-monthly-201103-201303 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-BY-monthly-201103-201303
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoReally? This is quite news to me; I don't think many people are still stuck with feature phones on China Mobile, at least in the big cities.
- hkmurakami 13y agoIIRC the low-end smartphones made by ZTE/Huawei are quite popular.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoYes, but are they running opera mobile? My understanding was that it lost popularity when the government stopped allowing people to use it to jump the GFW.
- suyash 13y agohttp://www.techinasia.com/operas-mobile-browser-silently-conquering-asia/ http://www.techinasia.com/operas-mobile-browser-silently-con... - Millions of Monthly Unique Users in China and other Asian countries as per this article on 03/05/13
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoThe linked article contains no real numbers on marketshare, just a million "hits" out of what...a billion? That would explain why I don't know any opera users.
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- magclock 13y agoHey Chris, good to know for any consulting companies (like the OP's) that okcupid/IAC might want to hire! It's nice that you're not so concerned about trade secrets!
- malgorithms 13y agoI can assure you I'd never sue someone for stealing trade secrets. Whatever "trade secrets" means in software, anyway.
- magclock 13y agoHow about a contractor selling the okc source code tree to some Chinese "entrepreneur" who launches a copycat site in China that somehow gains 300M members within a year? Just one extreme to make your statement look silly.
- kbenson 13y agoI'm pretty sure that's covered under copyright. The company owns the code. A trade secret is... what?
- shubb 13y agoIf you have an idea and keep it secret, it is protected from some reverse engineering or industrial espionage as a trade secret. Unlike a patent, if you competitor invents it independently, then it is no longer a trade secret. You are only protected against a restricted range of dodgy dealing, and then only if you took adequate security measures (employees under appropriate NDA, not obvious in your product, obfuscated if sourcecode, that sort of thing). Some people say they are 'software patents done right'. Certainly they serve a different purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret
- kbenson 13y agoThat sounds reasonable, given that it's accurate. It's also puts a bit more depth on Elon Musk's comments about not patenting technology developed within SpaceX[1], since the perceived patent infringers would laugh at any lawsuit and use the patents as a recipe (China, pseudo-state run companies therein, etc). They may not be patenting technology, but I bet there's quite a bit protected anyways as a trade secret. [1]: http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-patents-2012-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-patents-2012-11
- liquidise 13y agoRight, because justice tends to be a one-sided story. Let's be clear that all you are basing your opinion on is an abridged, single viewpoint account of events. There is such a rush to bless this guys post and chastise opera in these comments it is astounding. I don't understand the complete disregard for a balanced consideration of the facts.
- malgorithms 13y agoUnfortunately, justice is a one-sided story when large companies sue individuals or tiny companies at large corporate magnitudes. A defense alone can be financially devastating. Second, sadly, it's for "trade secrets" in the the world of software. Come on! I (and again, this is personal, lest someone drag my former companies into this) stand by my statements, as long as this lawsuit exists. If the basic facts themselves are wrong, then of course I will back off my statement. If Opera is not suing an individual for ~$3.4MM USD for divulging trade secrets, then great.
- edanm 13y agoJust to be clear: you're standing by your statement that you don't need any more info to decide that Opera is in the wrong here. They're categorically in the wrong, as long as they are actually suing an individual for divulging trade secrets. There is literally no more information that would change your mind if you heard it.
- enraged_camel 13y agoPlease tell us what is so "balanced" about a large company suing an individual for millions of dollars.
- liquidise 13y agoCompared to...? An individual leaving a large company and giving our legitimate trade secrets to a competitor company potentially ruining revenues (and thus salaries) for thousands? There are plenty of legitimate reasons for lawsuits from large corps to individuals. I have no idea if this is one of them. incidentally, that is why judges exist.
- Osiris 13y agoI use Opera on the desktop and on my mobile devices. So does my wife. I'm not going to stop using it because of a lawsuit, let alone for one that has not had any facts proven in a court. I really don't understand why people who don't know the facts of cases like this (i.e., you don't have an inside knowledge of the nitty-gritty), jump to conclusions to readily. Aren't we supposed to be a community of rational, thoughtful people that use facts and evidence to backup opinions? Do you stop using Google products when they get sued by various government agencies for things like collecting WiFi data? Why doesn't Google get the benefit of your doubt but not other companies?
- latj 13y agoThere are many many many many many people who have stopped using Google products for various political and policy reasons. You know this right?
- 3327 13y agoyes I am one of the many, check out owncloud if you want to download your data and setup your own cloud. Its pretty easy to setup. As for search, If you are not anti MSFT bing does a decent job on most topics, if you are, in that case duckduckgo, and many other engines out there are not too shabby either. I really want an alternative to youtube. Tired of being raped with 30 second ads for every vid I watch.
- duncan_bayne 13y agoI'm using Fastmail, so I'm essentially an Opera customer. I'll wait to see what comes of this lawsuit before deciding whether to continue with them. (Annoyingly, I'd just changed over to Fastmail from Gmail. I hope Opera is in the right here otherwise I'll have to change again ...)
- weareconvo 13y agoMaybe they feel that if they sue enough people, they'll earn enough money to stay afloat for another year.
- tonyedgecombe 13y agoMaybe the bigger problem for Opera will be attracting talent. I'd think twice before working for a company that had a history of suing its employees.
- simplyinfinity 13y agomaybe you should think about not spilling company trade secrets to competitors. I'm not trying do defend Opera, but if an (ex) employee ( be it contractor or not) revealed or used the same thing that he developed for my company while i was paying him , i would probably sue him too. Now ... in this case there are a lot of missing facts, but in the general case, when it's about a lot of money , i think any sane CEO would decide to sue.
- papsosouid 13y agoI wish I could read the comments here without thinking "wow, the quality of reddit really has declined a lot", and then realizing "holy shit, this is HN".