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I have admitted that, publicly, very often, in other topics on discuss.emberjs.com, on websites, on twitter, on videos, and elsewhere. It's no secret I'd like t
by trek 14y ago
I have admitted that, publicly, very often, in other topics on discuss.emberjs.com, on websites, on twitter, on videos, and elsewhere. It's no secret I'd like to improve the documentation for Ember.js and I'm already well aware of the places that people are facing difficulty right now.
There's work, if people spent a moment reading the top topics in the forum, on a getting started guide with a direct call for feedback http://discuss.emberjs.com/t/todomvc-based-getting-started-guide/433 http://discuss.emberjs.com/t/todomvc-based-getting-started-g...
I've been extremely vocal in soliciting actionable feedback on that. I'd like to help!
Discourse isn't for making places like hackernews, where a playful, sometimes discouraging culture of dickitude is acceptable and encouraged. The goal of Discourse (a "Civilized Discourse Construction Kit") and our use of it is to create a place where civil discussion can take place to improve Ember.js as a framework.
Delvarworld's tone strayed into territory I don't think remains civil because of his use of sarcasm:
"are you serious?"
"oh god this is going to be fun, isn't it?"
"by the awful grace of god"
"3 more results linking to the first dead article! FANTASTIC!"
And so I signaled that I empathize with his frustrations (because I do) but I can't participate in that discussion because it violates community norms I'd like to uphold. If he'd like to rephrase his topic, I'd be glad to help.
Ego and pretension have nothing to do with it. Contributing to OSS is something I make a personal decision to do with my time. I wish I had an infinite amount of time, but I don't. Most people associate me with Ember.js, but I'm very active elsewhere. Did you know I regularly run through all the TodoMVC examples looking for bugs https://twitter.com/trek/status/313015370728501248 https://twitter.com/trek/status/313015370728501248 ? Most people don't, because it's just something I quietly do. Less quietly now, I suppose.
In addition to working on OSS, I'd love to maybe find a nice boy to date (https://github.com/trek/lonely_coder https://github.com/trek/lonely_coder), see my friends, visit my aging, ailing parents more often, maybe catch a moving once in a while, or eat a meal I'd don't grab on the go running from one obligation to another.
Like most OSS contributors, this isn't my job. It doesn't pay my bills or put food in my belly. I do it because I'd like to improve the tools I work with and share those improvements with the larger tech community. In the finite time I can offer, I have to make decisions about where to expend energy. I choose to do that in places where I can have the most impact. I don't feel that I can be helpful when people approach with sarcasm. Rather than remaining silent, I let people know I'm happy to engage when we trend towards civility.
- PuerkitoBio 14y agoThat's actually a very decent answer. You should've expanded your reasoning a bit on the ember thread. Although to be honest, I thought the tone was more funny than sarcastic, but I'm emotionnally detached from the subject. With your explanations, your reaction makes sense. Sarcasm is a slippery slope.
- GhotiFish 14y agoI am envious that you are able to remain emotionally detached from this subject. I have experienced this kind of thing many times over the course of my life. There's no way I could remain emotionally detached.
- spellboots 14y agoI see what you're saying, and it is a fair attitude. The problem is that I think others disagree on your definition of civility; for example I am of the opinion that the post was perfectly civil, and I think others would tend to agree. You are of course free to set your own standards in your own community, however I think it would serve you well to recognize that the implied standards you are setting are extremely, extremely high. In my opinion they are so high that they are counter productive, and I posit that the fact that this article is now at the top of hacker news suggests that many people agree with me on this point.
- phillmv 14y ago"discouraging culture of dickitude", nailed it. We have to moderate the kinds of communities we want to see and participate in. You don't have to put up with people's shit.