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I'm Thomas Fuchs. That's interesting. How many apps have you developed?

by madrobby 14y ago

recuter 14y ago
Your reply is about as good as his comment.
- ahoyhere 14y ago
  Not when you consider the original blog post, which addressed the question of "Why not let the server be the data store?" Among the other "points"[1] jacquesc raised. [1] anyone who wants to pretend to have a serious, rational discussion -- don't start it by calling the person a zealot. Bam! Insta-noncredibility.
  - ricardobeat 14y ago
    recuter, put down your weapons and surrender. you're surrounded!
  - nkohari 14y ago
    To be fair, he said he was "railing like a zealot" -- a subtle but important difference. Calling someone a zealot is attacking them as a person, calling their behavior "zealot-like" is only attacking the behavior.
    - ahoyhere 14y ago
      Ah, yes, one word changes characterizations like "railing" and "zealot" into… a slightly (slightly) subtler ad hominem. But still an ad hominem.
  - ahoyhere 14y ago
    Whoever's down voting me, see Jacques' line about editing his own comment to be less inflammatory. He admitted it. You're not achieving anything here.
jacquesc 14y ago
A few. Don't worry, I'm a fan of your work. But I think you're way off base on this one point. We can still be friends :)
- ahoyhere 14y ago
  Nope, we aren't - and won't be. Friends don't use ad hominem attacks on friends.
  - jacquesc 14y ago
    Bummer. Well, I guess all I can say it's nothing personal. I thought I was arguing against Thomas's opinion (which I disagree with), and his constant attacks against any JS framework over 2K in size. Best of luck with your ventures.
    - ahoyhere 14y ago
      In case anyone reading this exchange isn't privy to the facts of the matter: Thomas doesn't "constantly" "attack" libraries "over 2k in size." He's a core team member of Prototype, wrote/"founded" Scriptaculous, scripty2, and Zepto. All significantly larger than 2k. All different types of frameworks, libraries. All of which we use. What Thomas does is promote smaller, more modular libraries -- based on experience. He promotes them because large libraries dominated the market utterly, and monocultures are not productive for hackers. So he started http://microjs.com http://microjs.com. Some people like to characterize him as a zealot for promoting an alternative and talking about why huge frameworks/libraries often have more tradeoffs than benefits.
      - ricardobeat 14y ago
        I guess after writing Prototype with it's 2GB source it's understandable that one would become a promoter of smaller, modular libraries ;) I'm myself a supporter of small libs, actually wrote a zepto "competitor" to be compatible with IE9 [1], but get the impression everyone is being a little too defensive (offensive?) on the matter. [1] http://ryejs.com http://ryejs.com
nkohari 14y ago
I'm not sure if you intended it, but this comment seems extremely egotistical. Are you genuinely interested in his/her experience and having a conversation about it, or are you saying (as it seems to read), "How many apps have YOU developed?" If it's the latter, you're being kind of a dick. Just saying.
- ahoyhere 14y ago
  NB: My husband isn't a native English speaker. His point was that he wrote about our experience with a specific app and that the bulk of jacquesc's argument was "Thomas rails like a zealot" and implies Thomas is an old dead horse (?), and otherwise was basically "nuh-uh." Without supporting detail. It was an invitation to provide details instead of ad hominem attacks (speaking of being kind of a dick). Because his native language isn't English, this got a little bit mangled. I already pointed that out to him. Also he wanted to say he was the original author, and it ended up sounding like a line from an action movie.
  - jacquesc 14y ago
    I'm sorry for calling Tom a zealot (which I've since removed). If it makes you feel better, I'm a client side MVC zealot. For Aiur!
- madrobby 14y ago
  I can see how my comment could be taken this way. It's not want I wanted to express. I wanted to state, as a disclaimer, that I'm the author of the post. As for answering the comment, it's really more of an ad hominem so that's why I wrote the snarky "That's interesting". I am interested in what he developed though, especially as he's so sure of his one true way.

I'm Thomas Fuchs. That's interesting. How many apps have you developed?

recuter 14y ago

Your reply is about as good as his comment.

ahoyhere 14y ago
Not when you consider the original blog post, which addressed the question of "Why not let the server be the data store?" Among the other "points"[1] jacquesc raised. [1] anyone who wants to pretend to have a serious, rational discussion -- don't start it by calling the person a zealot. Bam! Insta-noncredibility.
- ricardobeat 14y ago
  recuter, put down your weapons and surrender. you're surrounded!
- nkohari 14y ago
  To be fair, he said he was "railing like a zealot" -- a subtle but important difference. Calling someone a zealot is attacking them as a person, calling their behavior "zealot-like" is only attacking the behavior.
  - ahoyhere 14y ago
    Ah, yes, one word changes characterizations like "railing" and "zealot" into… a slightly (slightly) subtler ad hominem. But still an ad hominem.
- ahoyhere 14y ago
  Whoever's down voting me, see Jacques' line about editing his own comment to be less inflammatory. He admitted it. You're not achieving anything here.

jacquesc 14y ago

A few. Don't worry, I'm a fan of your work. But I think you're way off base on this one point. We can still be friends :)

ahoyhere 14y ago
Nope, we aren't - and won't be. Friends don't use ad hominem attacks on friends.
- jacquesc 14y ago
  Bummer. Well, I guess all I can say it's nothing personal. I thought I was arguing against Thomas's opinion (which I disagree with), and his constant attacks against any JS framework over 2K in size. Best of luck with your ventures.
  - ahoyhere 14y ago
    In case anyone reading this exchange isn't privy to the facts of the matter: Thomas doesn't "constantly" "attack" libraries "over 2k in size." He's a core team member of Prototype, wrote/"founded" Scriptaculous, scripty2, and Zepto. All significantly larger than 2k. All different types of frameworks, libraries. All of which we use. What Thomas does is promote smaller, more modular libraries -- based on experience. He promotes them because large libraries dominated the market utterly, and monocultures are not productive for hackers. So he started http://microjs.com http://microjs.com. Some people like to characterize him as a zealot for promoting an alternative and talking about why huge frameworks/libraries often have more tradeoffs than benefits.
    - ricardobeat 14y ago
      I guess after writing Prototype with it's 2GB source it's understandable that one would become a promoter of smaller, modular libraries ;) I'm myself a supporter of small libs, actually wrote a zepto "competitor" to be compatible with IE9 [1], but get the impression everyone is being a little too defensive (offensive?) on the matter. [1] http://ryejs.com http://ryejs.com

nkohari 14y ago

I'm not sure if you intended it, but this comment seems extremely egotistical. Are you genuinely interested in his/her experience and having a conversation about it, or are you saying (as it seems to read), "How many apps have YOU developed?" If it's the latter, you're being kind of a dick. Just saying.

ahoyhere 14y ago
NB: My husband isn't a native English speaker. His point was that he wrote about our experience with a specific app and that the bulk of jacquesc's argument was "Thomas rails like a zealot" and implies Thomas is an old dead horse (?), and otherwise was basically "nuh-uh." Without supporting detail. It was an invitation to provide details instead of ad hominem attacks (speaking of being kind of a dick). Because his native language isn't English, this got a little bit mangled. I already pointed that out to him. Also he wanted to say he was the original author, and it ended up sounding like a line from an action movie.
- jacquesc 14y ago
  I'm sorry for calling Tom a zealot (which I've since removed). If it makes you feel better, I'm a client side MVC zealot. For Aiur!
madrobby 14y ago
I can see how my comment could be taken this way. It's not want I wanted to express. I wanted to state, as a disclaimer, that I'm the author of the post. As for answering the comment, it's really more of an ad hominem so that's why I wrote the snarky "That's interesting". I am interested in what he developed though, especially as he's so sure of his one true way.