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I know. I was just poking some fun at TextMate. TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. I actually use TextMate 1.5 more than I use Su

I know. I was just poking some fun at TextMate. TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. I actually use TextMate 1.5 more than I use Sublime Text. Unfortunately, TextMate 1.5 was never open-sourced and TextMate 2 broke plugins designed for 1.5. So for me, it is abandonware. :(

scott_s 14y ago
TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. Considering that the author clearly went through serious burnout during that time, no, I would not joke about that: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1388905 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1388905
- vor_ 14y ago
  I don't understand why that can't be joked about.
  - scott_s 14y ago
    It's mean.
    - dmix 14y ago
      I've been building my own products for years. Burnout is a fact of life. Sure if you built something people loved, theres ton of pressure to follow up with something just as good. But it's biology. People get bored, exhausted or uninspired with their projects. At the end of the day he made a ton of money and built something thousands of people use everyday. That should be more important than having a good sequel. There will always be competitors who will keep customers happy. Thats not his full responsibility forever because he did it once. Besides, he'll get motivated again one day and do something interesting.
      - scott_s 14y ago
        None of that has any bearing on whether or not we should make his unhappiness the butt of our jokes.
        dmix 14y ago
        If he doesn't take it personally, as he shouldn't, then it doesn't matter. The best quote I've read on the subject was that if people care enough to complain about your product, that means you did something right.
        scott_s 14y ago
        Let me use language that will perhaps resonate with people here more: doing this makes you a bully. People do take things personally. This isn't constructive criticism we're talking about. It's not even a criticism of the product itself. It's making fun of someone for getting burnt out.
        fusiongyro 14y ago
        I hate that I turn every debate into "it depends on where you draw the line" but it really does. There is a continuum between my-first-open-source-project and Apple. It would be absurd to suggest to someone that they shouldn't make fun of Windows 8 because Steve Ballmer might get his feelings hurt. It would also be absurd to suggest that every kid who proudly uploads his/her first program to github deserves to be slammed for its shortcomings. It's a continuum. While I see your perspective, I think it's going to get pretty boring around here if we have to walk on eggshells for fear that somebody who probably isn't even paying attention might be offended at a jovial (if accurate) characterization of one of their shortcomings.
        scott_s 14y ago
        Odd. I consider it common decency, not "walking on eggshells."
bpierre 14y ago
Totally legitimate :-) I’ve been very tempted to switch to ST2, but I realized that the TM2 delay could not have happened if it was open source. Since then, I’m using Textmate 2 and Vim, and I plan to fully switch to Vim soon: open source, powerful, extensible, large community, lightweight, and multi-platform.

scott_s 14y ago

TM2 was delayed by what, 6 years? One can't not joke about that. Considering that the author clearly went through serious burnout during that time, no, I would not joke about that: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1388905 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1388905

vor_ 14y ago
I don't understand why that can't be joked about.
- scott_s 14y ago
  It's mean.
  - dmix 14y ago
    I've been building my own products for years. Burnout is a fact of life. Sure if you built something people loved, theres ton of pressure to follow up with something just as good. But it's biology. People get bored, exhausted or uninspired with their projects. At the end of the day he made a ton of money and built something thousands of people use everyday. That should be more important than having a good sequel. There will always be competitors who will keep customers happy. Thats not his full responsibility forever because he did it once. Besides, he'll get motivated again one day and do something interesting.
    - scott_s 14y ago
      None of that has any bearing on whether or not we should make his unhappiness the butt of our jokes.
      - dmix 14y ago
        If he doesn't take it personally, as he shouldn't, then it doesn't matter. The best quote I've read on the subject was that if people care enough to complain about your product, that means you did something right.
        scott_s 14y ago
        Let me use language that will perhaps resonate with people here more: doing this makes you a bully. People do take things personally. This isn't constructive criticism we're talking about. It's not even a criticism of the product itself. It's making fun of someone for getting burnt out.
        fusiongyro 14y ago
        I hate that I turn every debate into "it depends on where you draw the line" but it really does. There is a continuum between my-first-open-source-project and Apple. It would be absurd to suggest to someone that they shouldn't make fun of Windows 8 because Steve Ballmer might get his feelings hurt. It would also be absurd to suggest that every kid who proudly uploads his/her first program to github deserves to be slammed for its shortcomings. It's a continuum. While I see your perspective, I think it's going to get pretty boring around here if we have to walk on eggshells for fear that somebody who probably isn't even paying attention might be offended at a jovial (if accurate) characterization of one of their shortcomings.
        scott_s 14y ago
        Odd. I consider it common decency, not "walking on eggshells."

bpierre 14y ago

Totally legitimate :-) I’ve been very tempted to switch to ST2, but I realized that the TM2 delay could not have happened if it was open source. Since then, I’m using Textmate 2 and Vim, and I plan to fully switch to Vim soon: open source, powerful, extensible, large community, lightweight, and multi-platform.