5 ms·

You're simultaneously overestimating what was observable in the 70s climate research, and ignoring all the actual research and evaluation test results for AI to

by ben_w 3d ago

You're simultaneously overestimating what was observable in the 70s climate research, and ignoring all the actual research and evaluation test results for AI today. I don't expect people to be familiar with more than "trust me bro", but it's all right there for you to find with a search engine of choice. And, indeed, available for the LLMs themselves to explain to you in interrogative conversation.

koverstreet 3d ago
Who should I be more scared of? China, which has been doubling down on open transparent research, or the secretive US companies who are in bed with the most unhinged administration we've ever had and has been actively starting wars? They're not proposing anything concrete, and when they do, what do you think the proposal will be? Will OpenAI and Anthropic open themselves for inspection so we can verify they really have stopped developing these "world ending" technologies? Or are their proposals going to be aimed at everyone running open Chinese models?
- ben_w 3d ago
  Dunno about "should"; personally I am more scared of the US than China here, but I do know how propaganda can be, makes "should" really difficult. > Will OpenAI and Anthropic open themselves for inspection so we can verify they really have stopped developing these "world ending" technologies? This is compatible with the language being used, but I suspect they're not going to do that.
  - koverstreet 3d ago
    Yeah, they won't. And if a threat to the human race does come from AI, it's going to come from OpenAI/Anthropic. Hypercapitalist, secretive, in bed with the government, plus multiple real documented hackings of open source infrastructure already. We're a hell of a lot safer with China doing the same research out in the open and making it available to anyone. The choice might well be: one or two superintelligent autonomous AIs at OpenAI/Anthropic - or a lot of smaller ones, unable to be controlled but also coming out of a diverse set of environments. One of those leads to a stable ecosystem where we can all coexist, the other is genuinely terrifying. But make no mistake, from OpenAI/Anthropic this is all motivated by their stock price - when you're in the silicon valley mindset, it distorts your reality. They've convinced themselves that everyone's safer if they stay on top and in control, conveniently ignoring how that benefits them, and I don't believe them for a minute.

by ben_w 3d ago

koverstreet 3d ago

Who should I be more scared of? China, which has been doubling down on open transparent research, or the secretive US companies who are in bed with the most unhinged administration we've ever had and has been actively starting wars? They're not proposing anything concrete, and when they do, what do you think the proposal will be? Will OpenAI and Anthropic open themselves for inspection so we can verify they really have stopped developing these "world ending" technologies? Or are their proposals going to be aimed at everyone running open Chinese models?

ben_w 3d ago
Dunno about "should"; personally I am more scared of the US than China here, but I do know how propaganda can be, makes "should" really difficult. > Will OpenAI and Anthropic open themselves for inspection so we can verify they really have stopped developing these "world ending" technologies? This is compatible with the language being used, but I suspect they're not going to do that.
- koverstreet 3d ago
  Yeah, they won't. And if a threat to the human race does come from AI, it's going to come from OpenAI/Anthropic. Hypercapitalist, secretive, in bed with the government, plus multiple real documented hackings of open source infrastructure already. We're a hell of a lot safer with China doing the same research out in the open and making it available to anyone. The choice might well be: one or two superintelligent autonomous AIs at OpenAI/Anthropic - or a lot of smaller ones, unable to be controlled but also coming out of a diverse set of environments. One of those leads to a stable ecosystem where we can all coexist, the other is genuinely terrifying. But make no mistake, from OpenAI/Anthropic this is all motivated by their stock price - when you're in the silicon valley mindset, it distorts your reality. They've convinced themselves that everyone's safer if they stay on top and in control, conveniently ignoring how that benefits them, and I don't believe them for a minute.