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Somehow I’m more afraid of it being in the hands of Altman, with his ‘I’m creating a better world for everyone’ god complex, than Musk who is just a run-of-the-

by sph 4d ago

Somehow I’m more afraid of it being in the hands of Altman, with his ‘I’m creating a better world for everyone’ god complex, than Musk who is just a run-of-the-mill sociopathic nerd. There is no one is more dangerous than one who believes he is doing the right thing.

UncleMeat 3d ago
Musk is actively promoting white supremacy with his voice and fortune. That's not run-of-the-mill.
hdgvhicv 4d ago
Someone with the resources to do things is far more dangerous than someone without. If you local librarian thinks He is doing the right thing he’s not going to cause massive war or destroy the economy and wipe out 2/3rd of crops. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People like musk, altman, trump have unprecedented power in history - far more than the kings of medieval times.
- sph 4d ago
  Thank you, but we're discussing who's the worse to decide the fate of humanity between Amodei, Musk and Altman, not if one should be afraid of their local librarian. All three currently hold a lot of power in their hands. Though I know I attracted all the downvotes for not agreeing with most Americans that Musk is the worst person since Adolf.
shakna 4d ago
Sociopathic nerd, putting an awful lot of money into legalising CSAM, and interfering in elections domestic and foreign. Dunno if I'd rank Musk's danger down - he screams a certain ideology these days. He might well believe he is doing the right thing.
- falserum 4d ago
  > awful lot of money into legalising CSAM Could I ask what you have in mind (I doubt there was a US bill for that; google won’t help me without knowing what to look for)
  - shakna 3d ago
    xAI v. Ellison [1], where xAI argue that the right to denudify people is a First Amendment right, and therefore fine, regardless of the person it is depicting. > HF 1606’s principal sponsor stated that this was an “intentional” drafting decision, explaining there is no way to distinguish between images that are nudified with and without consent.22 But any interest that Minnesota has in preventing nonconsensual “nudification” cannot sustain a prohibition on consensual“ nudification Doe v. xAI [0], where it seems Grok was intentionally trained on CSAM, as part of the "denudification" tooling. Currently... It very much seems that Musk believes that if a kid says 'yes', then that is consent. Despite them being a kid. But, from a guy who tried fairly hard to get to Epstein's island, that's not exactly surprising. [2] [1] https://www.plainsite.org/courts/minnesota-district-court/xai-llc-v-ellison/6hjhhd456/3od2uz9kyp/ https://www.plainsite.org/courts/minnesota-district-court/xa... [0] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Doe-v-xAI-Complaint-3-16-26.pdf https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Doe-v... [2] https://time.com/7362868/elon-musk-epstein-emails/ https://time.com/7362868/elon-musk-epstein-emails/
9dev 4d ago
I don’t think a ranking is particularly helpful anyway: All of them are absolutely unfit to wield that much power. I’m not even sure if AI should be progressed by private corporations in the first place; combining shareholder interest and revenue goals with the biggest social experiment in history and unprecedented research into artificial intelligence is an all around bad idea. How could that lead to anything but misaligned incentives? This technology will never serve humanity when it is developed to inadvertently serve the monetary interest of a few.
dyzone 4d ago
I live under a rock. Why is musk hated so much in here?
- falserum 4d ago
  Hate is too strong a word for me personally. But lying (e.g. “full self driving next year”) and cheating (too early inclusion of spacex into various indexes) and whatever dogde was, should explain most of it. Connections with other disliked characters doesn’t help either.
- hlynurd 4d ago
  I can only speak for myself but dislike him for being a dangerous far-right, labor-exploiting oligarch.
- Blackthorn 3d ago
  The nazi solute and everything that led up to it, for one.
- api 3d ago
  He promotes right-authoritarian politics (including a Nazi salute he later denied but watch the video), promotes “race science” and xenophobia, lies and exaggerates a lot, openly attempted to bribe voters in an election, and a lot of nasty personal stuff has come out. He’s lost his mind IMO, from drugs and extreme social media addiction. As for the right-authoritarian “fash” stuff I’m not sure if it’s always been there or if it’s an opportunistic infection. I still give him credit for helping push the EV revolution forward and for finally building reusable rocket boosters. The latter has been talked about and studied for decades before and is clearly the best way to make a reusable launch system but NASA and its “old space” contractors never executed on it. Probably because overly complicated approaches like the shuttle and disposable rockets were more short term profitable. But note that all that stuff happened for the most part before the mid-teens, or at least that was when Musk made his contribution to it. I don’t think his mind is what it was. If he’d died in 2015 he would be the GOAT. Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
- blooalien 3d ago
  > I live under a rock. Why is musk hated so much in here? Let's say for a moment that you "live under a rock" enough that you actually haven't got a clue why Musk is such a hated figure (not only just here, but across a huge portion of humanity)... You should count yourself lucky that you haven't been absolutely assaulted by the monstrosity known as "modern media". You're one of the fortunate few. Enjoy your life. It's better than many.
inquirerGeneral 3d ago
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by sph 4d ago

UncleMeat 3d ago

Musk is actively promoting white supremacy with his voice and fortune. That's not run-of-the-mill.

hdgvhicv 4d ago

Someone with the resources to do things is far more dangerous than someone without. If you local librarian thinks He is doing the right thing he’s not going to cause massive war or destroy the economy and wipe out 2/3rd of crops. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. People like musk, altman, trump have unprecedented power in history - far more than the kings of medieval times.

sph 4d ago
Thank you, but we're discussing who's the worse to decide the fate of humanity between Amodei, Musk and Altman, not if one should be afraid of their local librarian. All three currently hold a lot of power in their hands. Though I know I attracted all the downvotes for not agreeing with most Americans that Musk is the worst person since Adolf.

shakna 4d ago

Sociopathic nerd, putting an awful lot of money into legalising CSAM, and interfering in elections domestic and foreign. Dunno if I'd rank Musk's danger down - he screams a certain ideology these days. He might well believe he is doing the right thing.

falserum 4d ago
> awful lot of money into legalising CSAM Could I ask what you have in mind (I doubt there was a US bill for that; google won’t help me without knowing what to look for)
- shakna 3d ago
  xAI v. Ellison [1], where xAI argue that the right to denudify people is a First Amendment right, and therefore fine, regardless of the person it is depicting. > HF 1606’s principal sponsor stated that this was an “intentional” drafting decision, explaining there is no way to distinguish between images that are nudified with and without consent.22 But any interest that Minnesota has in preventing nonconsensual “nudification” cannot sustain a prohibition on consensual“ nudification Doe v. xAI [0], where it seems Grok was intentionally trained on CSAM, as part of the "denudification" tooling. Currently... It very much seems that Musk believes that if a kid says 'yes', then that is consent. Despite them being a kid. But, from a guy who tried fairly hard to get to Epstein's island, that's not exactly surprising. [2] [1] https://www.plainsite.org/courts/minnesota-district-court/xai-llc-v-ellison/6hjhhd456/3od2uz9kyp/ https://www.plainsite.org/courts/minnesota-district-court/xa... [0] https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Doe-v-xAI-Complaint-3-16-26.pdf https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Doe-v... [2] https://time.com/7362868/elon-musk-epstein-emails/ https://time.com/7362868/elon-musk-epstein-emails/

9dev 4d ago

I don’t think a ranking is particularly helpful anyway: All of them are absolutely unfit to wield that much power. I’m not even sure if AI should be progressed by private corporations in the first place; combining shareholder interest and revenue goals with the biggest social experiment in history and unprecedented research into artificial intelligence is an all around bad idea. How could that lead to anything but misaligned incentives? This technology will never serve humanity when it is developed to inadvertently serve the monetary interest of a few.

dyzone 4d ago

I live under a rock. Why is musk hated so much in here?

falserum 4d ago
Hate is too strong a word for me personally. But lying (e.g. “full self driving next year”) and cheating (too early inclusion of spacex into various indexes) and whatever dogde was, should explain most of it. Connections with other disliked characters doesn’t help either.
hlynurd 4d ago
I can only speak for myself but dislike him for being a dangerous far-right, labor-exploiting oligarch.
Blackthorn 3d ago
The nazi solute and everything that led up to it, for one.
api 3d ago
He promotes right-authoritarian politics (including a Nazi salute he later denied but watch the video), promotes “race science” and xenophobia, lies and exaggerates a lot, openly attempted to bribe voters in an election, and a lot of nasty personal stuff has come out. He’s lost his mind IMO, from drugs and extreme social media addiction. As for the right-authoritarian “fash” stuff I’m not sure if it’s always been there or if it’s an opportunistic infection. I still give him credit for helping push the EV revolution forward and for finally building reusable rocket boosters. The latter has been talked about and studied for decades before and is clearly the best way to make a reusable launch system but NASA and its “old space” contractors never executed on it. Probably because overly complicated approaches like the shuttle and disposable rockets were more short term profitable. But note that all that stuff happened for the most part before the mid-teens, or at least that was when Musk made his contribution to it. I don’t think his mind is what it was. If he’d died in 2015 he would be the GOAT. Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
blooalien 3d ago
> I live under a rock. Why is musk hated so much in here? Let's say for a moment that you "live under a rock" enough that you actually haven't got a clue why Musk is such a hated figure (not only just here, but across a huge portion of humanity)... You should count yourself lucky that you haven't been absolutely assaulted by the monstrosity known as "modern media". You're one of the fortunate few. Enjoy your life. It's better than many.

inquirerGeneral 3d ago

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