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As far as I can tell here the ghost portion is basically a non-sequiter. The waymo vehicle called the cops because it detected e passengers had a gun. The vehic
by MostlyStable 6d ago
As far as I can tell here the ghost portion is basically a non-sequiter. The waymo vehicle called the cops because it detected e passengers had a gun. The vehicle did not know or care about its status as a ghost gun or not. I'm sure that the Waymo terms of service prohibit carrying weapons into the vehicle. I'm pretty sure that if you were brandishing a realistic looking enough gun, an Uber driver would kick you out and call the cops as well.
- kelnos 6d agoThere's a big difference between a human present who can make a decision based on a situation literally in front of their eyes, and a computer flagging a video feed for someone in what amounts to a call center to look at and decide on. Not to mention the mass surveillance this sort of stuff continues to help enable.
- MostlyStable 6d agoI'm pretty wary of mass public surveillance. I'm much less concerned about companies monitoring the inside of their private property
- pocksuppet 5d agoWhen they are one in the same, how do you plead?
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- bot403 6d agoI'm not a fan of expanding surveillance but the alternative of unmonitored transit seems worse. Going to shoot up a place? Take your guns on a waymo. It won't complain. Guy wants to take an obviously distressed and co-erced girl to an abandoned lot? No complaints. Person with obvious head injury and slurring speech wants to go home instead of the hospital? Sure. Person has heart attack and passes out in back? We'll just drive your limp body 45 minutes in traffic to your destination. These are just a few situations any human driver would obviously react to. And a modicum of detection and human review could solve in an autonomous vehicle.
- _vertigo 6d agoThat's a good yardstick. Would a reasonable human driver call (or want to call) the cops? If yes, it's reasonable for Waymo to do the same
- handwarmers 6d agoMaybe we shouldn't put the whole burden of world justice on Waymo, this allowing it a complete invasion of the privacy of both the people who use it and those who don't? Guy takes a drugged up girl on the train, should we hold the train responsible for the outcome also?
- jplona 6d agoI think the risks are different on a train, which is far more public than the inside of a taxi. There are more likely to be other people and/or an operator to intervene.
- anon84873628 6d agoAre you aware of BART Police or MTA Police? All trains have conductors who monitor passenger behavior and enforce rules/laws.
- handwarmers 6d agoYes? I am pretty sure they don't do algorithmic policing. Fwiw, they probably don't do any policing, but that is a different subject. I am not against monitoring for safety - I am against deploying a sophisticated network of automated monitoring that covers all digital and soon physical aspects of my life for my "safety" by for profit companies.
- diydsp 6d agoThat's the key question: whose laws are Waymo enforcing? ICE and Flock's extra-constitutional policies? City ordinances? A future eco-radical government's laws? How about things taking place outside the car? Can Waymo mount a robotic machine gun next to the LIDAR and snipe suspected terrorists? Release tear gas? Self destruct, killing several nuns to protect s CEO? Btw ghost guns are not all instantly illegal.
- PunchTornado 6d agoA lot of taxis have models detecting weapons and aggressive behaviours. I work on some models like this. I think they are necessary. For driver's safety.
- anon84873628 6d agoThe number of people expecting drivers to calmly & accurately distinguish between real threats and not is wild.
- UltraSane 6d agoI'm pretty sure a human started watching live video from the car as soon as the AI flagged a gun. I doubt that Waymo is willing to have their system automatically call cops.
- parineum 6d agoWould you be upset if someone at the WalMart central data center called the local police because they saw someone with a gun in a Walmart at a remote location? That's what happened here. A private company saw a gun inside their property and called the police.
- Arainach 6d agoPeople are awful when they think they aren't being watched, especially with communal or other people's property. It's why things are covered in lame low-effort graffiti tags, why bathroom mirrors have things scratched into them with keys, and why bridges over highways all have metal grates to stop people from throwing rocks at oncoming cars. When people know they're being watched and there will be immediate consequences if they do something bad, their behavior changes. If they don't, they're awful. We've seen this for decades (arguably millennia, as we know Pompeii had graffiti too)
- mr_toad 6d ago> The waymo vehicle called the cops Waymo called the cops. It’s not clear if it was the vehicle, or a human in the company. I suspect the latter.