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Why what benefit has it brought? Mass anxiety?

by vips7L 5d ago

Turfie 5d ago
Yes, and mass excitement
- YeGoblynQueenne 5d ago
  Don't you mean mass investment?
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kaffekaka 5d ago
Yes. In the best possible world AI could enable a much better future, but currently we are on a quite bad trajectory.
JumpCrisscross 5d ago
> what benefit has it brought? I mean, we have a Millenium problem that is most likely solved. Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could.
- vips7L 5d ago
  We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
  - JumpCrisscross 5d ago
    > We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work? No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
    - vips7L 5d ago
      You literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?
      - JumpCrisscross 5d ago
        > You literally said they _stole_ the work No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened. My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523
        vips7L 4d ago
        So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
  - pfdietz 5d ago
    No one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.
    - vips7L 5d ago
      It's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.
      - pfdietz 5d ago
        Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.
        vips7L 5d ago
        It was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.
        nmeagent 5d ago
        > Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.
        pfdietz 4d ago
        Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?
        nmeagent 4d ago
        Oh no, Mr. Internet Rando, don't scold me! You seem to be a little sensitive about the subject. Which AI firm do you work for?

Why what benefit has it brought? Mass anxiety?

by vips7L 5d ago

Why what benefit has it brought? Mass anxiety?

Turfie 5d ago

Yes, and mass excitement

YeGoblynQueenne 5d ago
Don't you mean mass investment?
- deleted 4d ago
  [deleted]

kaffekaka 5d ago

Yes. In the best possible world AI could enable a much better future, but currently we are on a quite bad trajectory.

JumpCrisscross 5d ago

> what benefit has it brought? I mean, we have a Millenium problem that is most likely solved. Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could.

vips7L 5d ago
We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
- JumpCrisscross 5d ago
  > We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work? No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
  - vips7L 5d ago
    You literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?
    - JumpCrisscross 5d ago
      > You literally said they _stole_ the work No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened. My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523
      - vips7L 4d ago
        So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
- pfdietz 5d ago
  No one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.
  - vips7L 5d ago
    It's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.
    - pfdietz 5d ago
      Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.
      - vips7L 5d ago
        It was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.
      - nmeagent 5d ago
        > Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality. We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.
        pfdietz 4d ago
        Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?
        nmeagent 4d ago
        Oh no, Mr. Internet Rando, don't scold me! You seem to be a little sensitive about the subject. Which AI firm do you work for?