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Yes, I'm serious. The Persians are a proud culture and know their history. Just like a lot of other people. You don't think religion still motivates people? Th

Yes, I'm serious. The Persians are a proud culture and know their history. Just like a lot of other people. You don't think religion still motivates people? There have been Sunni vs Shia and Christian vs Muslim conflicts for about a thousand years, more on than off. Israel vs Palestine more recently, fighting over ancient holy sites. So much back and forth - the Muslim conquest, the crusades, the Ottomans, Napolean, the Shah of Iran, 9/11, etc. Are you saying that those in the Middle East don't know the history of all that, or don't notice that they have been imposed upon lately by foreign powers? Are you saying that there's not a large loud group of people in the U.S. who have been saying that Islam is evil? They aren't like us. They want to kill us all. They'll never stop. Etc. They're going to nuke Boston if we don't attack. I know a lot of religious people looking at current events as end-of-times bliblical - New Jerusalem, second coming, etc. These people have been very politically influental. Even now Vance is very publically calling a muslim senate candidate evil. Those in power use religion to radicalize people. Are you saying this isn't happening and hasn't been happening for hundreds of years? I'm into history, so maybe I'm coming from a different angle. You've posted quite a bit in this thread and repeated a number of things that appear to be factually incorrect. Are you sure that you are well informed and not making biased assumptions?

ericmay 5d ago
> You've posted quite a bit in this thread and repeated a number of things that appear to be factually incorrect. Are you sure that you are well informed and not making biased assumptions? Please cite these things that are factually incorrect. > Israel vs Palestine more recently, fighting over ancient holy sites. That's not recent. Don't you know your history? > Yes, I'm serious. The Persians are a proud culture and know their history. Just like a lot of other people. > So much back and forth - the Muslim conquest, the crusades, the Ottomans, Napolean, the Shah of Iran, 9/11, etc. Persian != Muslim - don't you know your history? Iran wasn't responsible for 9/11. You're lumping in a lot of distinct cultures and civilizations over thousands of years to make a point that just does not make sense. Speaking of, yea you remember the Crusades, why do you seem to forget the Mongolians who did far worse to Islamic civilization than anyone else in history? Why doesn't anyone seem to remember that and use that as justification to invade China or Mongolia or something? It's because this notion of some long historical memory is bullshit. The Persians, the Iranians, they forget about this stuff just like every other country. Nobody has a "long memory", and if Iran is holding on to some 2,000 year old grudge and they're just going to keep screwing with stuff while the rest of us are trying to get on with our lives, maybe Trump was right to suggest annihilating that civilization. What other option do we have? > Are you saying that there's not a large loud group of people in the U.S. who have been saying that Islam is evil? Yea that's generally true. Most people don't care about Islam or Muslims. This is unlike Islamic countries who care very much if you aren't Islamic. Maybe Islamic countries should grow up and get with the times? > Even now Vance is very publically calling a muslim senate candidate evil. As an aside I detest JD Vance but he's calling this guy evil primarily because he's a communist, not a Muslim.

ericmay 5d ago

> You've posted quite a bit in this thread and repeated a number of things that appear to be factually incorrect. Are you sure that you are well informed and not making biased assumptions? Please cite these things that are factually incorrect. > Israel vs Palestine more recently, fighting over ancient holy sites. That's not recent. Don't you know your history? > Yes, I'm serious. The Persians are a proud culture and know their history. Just like a lot of other people. > So much back and forth - the Muslim conquest, the crusades, the Ottomans, Napolean, the Shah of Iran, 9/11, etc. Persian != Muslim - don't you know your history? Iran wasn't responsible for 9/11. You're lumping in a lot of distinct cultures and civilizations over thousands of years to make a point that just does not make sense. Speaking of, yea you remember the Crusades, why do you seem to forget the Mongolians who did far worse to Islamic civilization than anyone else in history? Why doesn't anyone seem to remember that and use that as justification to invade China or Mongolia or something? It's because this notion of some long historical memory is bullshit. The Persians, the Iranians, they forget about this stuff just like every other country. Nobody has a "long memory", and if Iran is holding on to some 2,000 year old grudge and they're just going to keep screwing with stuff while the rest of us are trying to get on with our lives, maybe Trump was right to suggest annihilating that civilization. What other option do we have? > Are you saying that there's not a large loud group of people in the U.S. who have been saying that Islam is evil? Yea that's generally true. Most people don't care about Islam or Muslims. This is unlike Islamic countries who care very much if you aren't Islamic. Maybe Islamic countries should grow up and get with the times? > Even now Vance is very publically calling a muslim senate candidate evil. As an aside I detest JD Vance but he's calling this guy evil primarily because he's a communist, not a Muslim.