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I think the rhetorical answer is why should we care if Iran is doing bad stuff around? Is that enough to start a war with Iran? We don’t care if Trump is doing

I think the rhetorical answer is why should we care if Iran is doing bad stuff around? Is that enough to start a war with Iran? We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all)

ericmay 5d ago
Why should we care that Israel is doing bad stuff around? Or Russia? > We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all) Not stealing oil. Let’s set that aside. The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing!
- LtWorf 5d ago
  > The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing! And now it's even worse but USA gets free oil so it's all fine!
  - ericmay 4d ago
    No, it's better now. Most Venezuelans are glad that Maduro is gone and their economy will improve greatly over the next decade or so. The US isn't "getting oil for free".
- theplumber 4d ago
  Russia-Ukraine war is important for Europe and perhaps should for the US as well but you can well see that’s not that important for Israel for example. Nobody cares about Maduro saga because it’s not worth it to upset the U.S for obvious no real gain. On the other hand the Greenland saga for example played out differently. You may see a pattern if you look close enough: Greenland and Venezuela are pretty much the same situation and taking down the bad guy had nothing to do with it. You may also remember the U.S released the convicted drug dealer from Honduras because it played ball with the U.S.
  - ericmay 4d ago
    > Russia-Ukraine war is important for Europe and perhaps should for the US as well but you can well see that’s not that important for Israel for example. We just decide it's not important then like Europe decides Iran isn't important. No difference. > Nobody cares about Maduro saga because it’s not worth it to upset the U.S for obvious no real gain. Well it's not that there's some "let's not upset the US" thing here, it's because they know it was a good thing for global security and good for the Venezuelan people. > On the other hand the Greenland saga for example played out differently. You may see a pattern if you look close enough: Greenland and Venezuela are pretty much the same situation and taking down the bad guy had nothing to do with it. That doesn't make any sense lol. How in the world are you arriving at a pattern match where you see Maduro, a guy helping Russia evade sanctions, destroying the Venezuelan economy, and creating a humanitarian disaster as 1/3rd of the country fled with Greenland, a country the US operates military bases on and has a population of like 20 people? > You may also remember the U.S released the convicted drug dealer from Honduras because it played ball with the U.S. I'm not familiar with the exact circumstances here. Maybe I agree or disagree with the action, but if they were doing something that was more helpful than the punishment for the crimes they committed maybe it makes sense to do.

ericmay 5d ago

Why should we care that Israel is doing bad stuff around? Or Russia? > We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all) Not stealing oil. Let’s set that aside. The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing!

LtWorf 5d ago
> The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing! And now it's even worse but USA gets free oil so it's all fine!
- ericmay 4d ago
  No, it's better now. Most Venezuelans are glad that Maduro is gone and their economy will improve greatly over the next decade or so. The US isn't "getting oil for free".
theplumber 4d ago
Russia-Ukraine war is important for Europe and perhaps should for the US as well but you can well see that’s not that important for Israel for example. Nobody cares about Maduro saga because it’s not worth it to upset the U.S for obvious no real gain. On the other hand the Greenland saga for example played out differently. You may see a pattern if you look close enough: Greenland and Venezuela are pretty much the same situation and taking down the bad guy had nothing to do with it. You may also remember the U.S released the convicted drug dealer from Honduras because it played ball with the U.S.
- ericmay 4d ago
  > Russia-Ukraine war is important for Europe and perhaps should for the US as well but you can well see that’s not that important for Israel for example. We just decide it's not important then like Europe decides Iran isn't important. No difference. > Nobody cares about Maduro saga because it’s not worth it to upset the U.S for obvious no real gain. Well it's not that there's some "let's not upset the US" thing here, it's because they know it was a good thing for global security and good for the Venezuelan people. > On the other hand the Greenland saga for example played out differently. You may see a pattern if you look close enough: Greenland and Venezuela are pretty much the same situation and taking down the bad guy had nothing to do with it. That doesn't make any sense lol. How in the world are you arriving at a pattern match where you see Maduro, a guy helping Russia evade sanctions, destroying the Venezuelan economy, and creating a humanitarian disaster as 1/3rd of the country fled with Greenland, a country the US operates military bases on and has a population of like 20 people? > You may also remember the U.S released the convicted drug dealer from Honduras because it played ball with the U.S. I'm not familiar with the exact circumstances here. Maybe I agree or disagree with the action, but if they were doing something that was more helpful than the punishment for the crimes they committed maybe it makes sense to do.