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I 100% agree Iran wants nukes, but I don't think it's a given they want to "destroy the region". It is more likely they want to get the same level of safety co

I 100% agree Iran wants nukes, but I don't think it's a given they want to "destroy the region". It is more likely they want to get the same level of safety countries with nukes get, e.g. North Korea's leadership is at no risen of getting a "democratizing" invasion. Then again, who knows what the next leader will do.

spwa4 5d ago
Iran's current government started killing people to maintain power HOURS after they got to power. They have continued killing, constantly, people in their power, for about 55 years now. Including in january, and they're still killing more of their people for the crime of protesting one by one. They torture them first, especially if they're female. The IRGC has constantly used every weapon they have, and by that I mean firing it, not as a means of defense, but as a means of attack. That too, is something they're still doing, before and after the US-Iran escalation. Allowing this particular bunch of assholes get a nuclear weapon is a level of stupidity that is barely describable. If they want such a weapon for safety, that'll be the first time in their history. And yes, I get it, a lot of people really hate Israel. There is even some justification for that. But do you believe for even one second this government will stop after bombing Israel?
- mrkeen 5d ago
  It got me curious, so I took a look at what Iran has been up to. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crises-faced-by-iran-since-1979 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crise... It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO.
  - spwa4 5d ago
    > It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO. sigh this is aljazeera ... They don't mention what Iran did in the Iran-Iraq war (Iraq gave up after ~1 year, and Iran tried to conquer Iraq for 7 years. Oh and you might want to Google "plastic keys to heaven". You see, according to the IRGC allah provides cheap demining equipment in the form of minority children. And before you say they've now stopped you might want to look at the pictures they're spreading TODAY about the Houthi's "success". There's a ~10 year old boy on those pictures ...) If what you say is remotely true, what is the intention behind Hezbollah, the Houthi's, Iraq's religious parties, and Iran's participation in Syria's civil war (delivering the soldiers). Please note that if you give an explanation, and you say it's "to feel safe", note that Iran helped kill 600,000 Syrians (they brought the soldiers to kill everyone). Houthi's in Yemen killed tens of thousands and starved hundreds of thousands ... to death, with Iran's help. I mean this is what they do to feel safe, and you are trying to give an argument that they should have nukes so they'll be safe? I'll make a guess, now you're going to "compare" it to some US actions, or perhaps Israel? And we won't be discussing that Iran's IRGC probably killed more of their own people "only to feel safe" in 3 days of January protests than Israel did in 3 years of war in Gaza.
    - mrkeen 5d ago
      Like I said, I got curious to see what they've been up to. Links would have been better.
      - spwa4 4d ago
        Some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_over_use_of_human_wave_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_... (but generally start reading from the Stalemate onwards) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise "The high death rate for children is indicated by Brigadier General Mohammad-Saleh Jokar, the head the Students Basij, who stated that 36,000 schoolchildren were killed while only 2,853 were injured during the war." (note: such numbers are only realistic if Iran killed their own wounded children. Let's hope this is not actually true) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Sy... Iran fighting, for years and years, executing massacres, on the side of Bashar Al Assad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_prot... Note the constant reduction in the death toll (and read the talk page for why the numbers were reduced, along with attempted removals of references to Reza Pahlavi. You see the death toll are western disinformation campaigns, and if you check the people, claimed by people who got warnings for being pro-Russian unfair edits ...) And they're still adding to the death toll: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo
        mrkeen 4d ago
        I started reading from the first sentence
        spwa4 4d ago
        I meant Iran that taking over the aggression starts at the stalemate. Yes Iraq attacked first, but Iran was the aggressor for 8 to 9 out of 10 years of the war. Iraq even gave as a reason that they were sure Iran was going to attack soon and that there was a substantial Iranian force inside Iraq as Iraqi citizens. Both were probably correct, although we'll never know.
- jonplackett 5d ago
  I think you need to just pause for a moment of reflection and look at the number of countries the USA has invaded vs the number Iran has invaded. And then maybe look at the number of nuclear bombs used against other nations.

spwa4 5d ago

Iran's current government started killing people to maintain power HOURS after they got to power. They have continued killing, constantly, people in their power, for about 55 years now. Including in january, and they're still killing more of their people for the crime of protesting one by one. They torture them first, especially if they're female. The IRGC has constantly used every weapon they have, and by that I mean firing it, not as a means of defense, but as a means of attack. That too, is something they're still doing, before and after the US-Iran escalation. Allowing this particular bunch of assholes get a nuclear weapon is a level of stupidity that is barely describable. If they want such a weapon for safety, that'll be the first time in their history. And yes, I get it, a lot of people really hate Israel. There is even some justification for that. But do you believe for even one second this government will stop after bombing Israel?

mrkeen 5d ago
It got me curious, so I took a look at what Iran has been up to. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crises-faced-by-iran-since-1979 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crise... It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO.
- spwa4 5d ago
  > It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO. sigh this is aljazeera ... They don't mention what Iran did in the Iran-Iraq war (Iraq gave up after ~1 year, and Iran tried to conquer Iraq for 7 years. Oh and you might want to Google "plastic keys to heaven". You see, according to the IRGC allah provides cheap demining equipment in the form of minority children. And before you say they've now stopped you might want to look at the pictures they're spreading TODAY about the Houthi's "success". There's a ~10 year old boy on those pictures ...) If what you say is remotely true, what is the intention behind Hezbollah, the Houthi's, Iraq's religious parties, and Iran's participation in Syria's civil war (delivering the soldiers). Please note that if you give an explanation, and you say it's "to feel safe", note that Iran helped kill 600,000 Syrians (they brought the soldiers to kill everyone). Houthi's in Yemen killed tens of thousands and starved hundreds of thousands ... to death, with Iran's help. I mean this is what they do to feel safe, and you are trying to give an argument that they should have nukes so they'll be safe? I'll make a guess, now you're going to "compare" it to some US actions, or perhaps Israel? And we won't be discussing that Iran's IRGC probably killed more of their own people "only to feel safe" in 3 days of January protests than Israel did in 3 years of war in Gaza.
  - mrkeen 5d ago
    Like I said, I got curious to see what they've been up to. Links would have been better.
    - spwa4 4d ago
      Some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_over_use_of_human_wave_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_... (but generally start reading from the Stalemate onwards) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise "The high death rate for children is indicated by Brigadier General Mohammad-Saleh Jokar, the head the Students Basij, who stated that 36,000 schoolchildren were killed while only 2,853 were injured during the war." (note: such numbers are only realistic if Iran killed their own wounded children. Let's hope this is not actually true) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Sy... Iran fighting, for years and years, executing massacres, on the side of Bashar Al Assad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_prot... Note the constant reduction in the death toll (and read the talk page for why the numbers were reduced, along with attempted removals of references to Reza Pahlavi. You see the death toll are western disinformation campaigns, and if you check the people, claimed by people who got warnings for being pro-Russian unfair edits ...) And they're still adding to the death toll: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo
      - mrkeen 4d ago
        I started reading from the first sentence
        spwa4 4d ago
        I meant Iran that taking over the aggression starts at the stalemate. Yes Iraq attacked first, but Iran was the aggressor for 8 to 9 out of 10 years of the war. Iraq even gave as a reason that they were sure Iran was going to attack soon and that there was a substantial Iranian force inside Iraq as Iraqi citizens. Both were probably correct, although we'll never know.
jonplackett 5d ago
I think you need to just pause for a moment of reflection and look at the number of countries the USA has invaded vs the number Iran has invaded. And then maybe look at the number of nuclear bombs used against other nations.