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Just so it's clear that you're trying to cause confusion: these are light water reactors that cannot in any way shape or form be used to make bombs. Slightly h

by spwa4 5d ago

Just so it's clear that you're trying to cause confusion: these are light water reactors that cannot in any way shape or form be used to make bombs. Slightly harder to design and build. Much cheaper to run. Excellent for power. Bad for bombs. And, yes, just to get ahead of your next question: the US (and Europe and Russia and China) have offered to help Iran create these. Explaining it to them. Send people and engineers who have done it. Just get them from us. Or for free. We have tried everything. Iran has systematically refused everything, yet insist their program is for peaceful purposes only. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect, far from it. But they are not looking to destroy the world or the region, and yes, sorry to say, but Iran is.

powellc 5d ago
The current theocracy in Iran was more or less created by the careless diplomacy and ignorance of post WWII American government officials. So let's be real careful about saying who's evil now. It's entirely possible that true evil cannot exist at a geo-political scale. Instead what we get are diplomatic evolutions which follow cyclical historical patterns of highs and lows which have haunted humans over the last 2 million years. Saying Iran is looking destroy the world as a final statement misses the fact that most Western oligarchs are passively OKAY destroying the world, if it means more money and "security" for them today.
riffraff 5d ago
I 100% agree Iran wants nukes, but I don't think it's a given they want to "destroy the region". It is more likely they want to get the same level of safety countries with nukes get, e.g. North Korea's leadership is at no risen of getting a "democratizing" invasion. Then again, who knows what the next leader will do.
- spwa4 5d ago
  Iran's current government started killing people to maintain power HOURS after they got to power. They have continued killing, constantly, people in their power, for about 55 years now. Including in january, and they're still killing more of their people for the crime of protesting one by one. They torture them first, especially if they're female. The IRGC has constantly used every weapon they have, and by that I mean firing it, not as a means of defense, but as a means of attack. That too, is something they're still doing, before and after the US-Iran escalation. Allowing this particular bunch of assholes get a nuclear weapon is a level of stupidity that is barely describable. If they want such a weapon for safety, that'll be the first time in their history. And yes, I get it, a lot of people really hate Israel. There is even some justification for that. But do you believe for even one second this government will stop after bombing Israel?
  - mrkeen 5d ago
    It got me curious, so I took a look at what Iran has been up to. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crises-faced-by-iran-since-1979 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crise... It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO.
    - spwa4 5d ago
      > It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO. sigh this is aljazeera ... They don't mention what Iran did in the Iran-Iraq war (Iraq gave up after ~1 year, and Iran tried to conquer Iraq for 7 years. Oh and you might want to Google "plastic keys to heaven". You see, according to the IRGC allah provides cheap demining equipment in the form of minority children. And before you say they've now stopped you might want to look at the pictures they're spreading TODAY about the Houthi's "success". There's a ~10 year old boy on those pictures ...) If what you say is remotely true, what is the intention behind Hezbollah, the Houthi's, Iraq's religious parties, and Iran's participation in Syria's civil war (delivering the soldiers). Please note that if you give an explanation, and you say it's "to feel safe", note that Iran helped kill 600,000 Syrians (they brought the soldiers to kill everyone). Houthi's in Yemen killed tens of thousands and starved hundreds of thousands ... to death, with Iran's help. I mean this is what they do to feel safe, and you are trying to give an argument that they should have nukes so they'll be safe? I'll make a guess, now you're going to "compare" it to some US actions, or perhaps Israel? And we won't be discussing that Iran's IRGC probably killed more of their own people "only to feel safe" in 3 days of January protests than Israel did in 3 years of war in Gaza.
      - mrkeen 5d ago
        Like I said, I got curious to see what they've been up to. Links would have been better.
        spwa4 4d ago
        Some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_over_use_of_human_wave_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_... (but generally start reading from the Stalemate onwards) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise "The high death rate for children is indicated by Brigadier General Mohammad-Saleh Jokar, the head the Students Basij, who stated that 36,000 schoolchildren were killed while only 2,853 were injured during the war." (note: such numbers are only realistic if Iran killed their own wounded children. Let's hope this is not actually true) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Sy... Iran fighting, for years and years, executing massacres, on the side of Bashar Al Assad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_prot... Note the constant reduction in the death toll (and read the talk page for why the numbers were reduced, along with attempted removals of references to Reza Pahlavi. You see the death toll are western disinformation campaigns, and if you check the people, claimed by people who got warnings for being pro-Russian unfair edits ...) And they're still adding to the death toll: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo
quietsignal 5d ago
On that second note what about the plant in Bushehr?
mrguyorama 5d ago
>But they are not looking to destroy the world or the region, and yes, sorry to say, but Iran is. Then why did Iran discontinue their other WMD programs, like much cheaper and easier to manage chemical weapons programs? Why is Iran holding back and not targeting Israel's water infrastructure? If they just want to kill everyone they have options right now that they aren't taking. Why does Iran hold back if they would use a nuke as soon as they get one because they just want to destroy the region? Iran objectively wants to build a nuke, and has willingly sacrificed everything to do it, but it wouldn't have taken becoming a rogue state and trillions of dollars of GDP to kill Israel to their liking. Other than a nuke, Israel's retaliation options are fairly limited.
jonplackett 5d ago
I didn’t say they’re given them a bomb. I said nuclear technology. I’m just pointing out that we’re oh so happy to give people who murder gay people weapons and very advanced technology. Because they’re the bad people we like who give us cheap oil. It’s all just used as a narrative to justify war. Like when we go invade somewhere to promote ‘democracy’ but still give money and power to all the little kingdoms with zero Democracy.
scheme271 5d ago
Iran had a pretty strict P5 agreement under Obama that would have prevented Iran getting nukes for sanctions relief and other benefits. For some reason, a president decided to toss it for no apparent benefit. Trump literally said a day or two ago that if Iran had nukes, he'd treat them a lot nicer and would cozy up to them like with China, Russia, and North Korea. Given that what government wouldn't serious consider obtaining nukes if only as a matter of survival?

by spwa4 5d ago

powellc 5d ago

The current theocracy in Iran was more or less created by the careless diplomacy and ignorance of post WWII American government officials. So let's be real careful about saying who's evil now. It's entirely possible that true evil cannot exist at a geo-political scale. Instead what we get are diplomatic evolutions which follow cyclical historical patterns of highs and lows which have haunted humans over the last 2 million years. Saying Iran is looking destroy the world as a final statement misses the fact that most Western oligarchs are passively OKAY destroying the world, if it means more money and "security" for them today.

riffraff 5d ago

I 100% agree Iran wants nukes, but I don't think it's a given they want to "destroy the region". It is more likely they want to get the same level of safety countries with nukes get, e.g. North Korea's leadership is at no risen of getting a "democratizing" invasion. Then again, who knows what the next leader will do.

spwa4 5d ago
Iran's current government started killing people to maintain power HOURS after they got to power. They have continued killing, constantly, people in their power, for about 55 years now. Including in january, and they're still killing more of their people for the crime of protesting one by one. They torture them first, especially if they're female. The IRGC has constantly used every weapon they have, and by that I mean firing it, not as a means of defense, but as a means of attack. That too, is something they're still doing, before and after the US-Iran escalation. Allowing this particular bunch of assholes get a nuclear weapon is a level of stupidity that is barely describable. If they want such a weapon for safety, that'll be the first time in their history. And yes, I get it, a lot of people really hate Israel. There is even some justification for that. But do you believe for even one second this government will stop after bombing Israel?
- mrkeen 5d ago
  It got me curious, so I took a look at what Iran has been up to. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crises-faced-by-iran-since-1979 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/13/a-timeline-of-crise... It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO.
  - spwa4 5d ago
    > It doesn't look like foreign conquest is part of their MO. sigh this is aljazeera ... They don't mention what Iran did in the Iran-Iraq war (Iraq gave up after ~1 year, and Iran tried to conquer Iraq for 7 years. Oh and you might want to Google "plastic keys to heaven". You see, according to the IRGC allah provides cheap demining equipment in the form of minority children. And before you say they've now stopped you might want to look at the pictures they're spreading TODAY about the Houthi's "success". There's a ~10 year old boy on those pictures ...) If what you say is remotely true, what is the intention behind Hezbollah, the Houthi's, Iraq's religious parties, and Iran's participation in Syria's civil war (delivering the soldiers). Please note that if you give an explanation, and you say it's "to feel safe", note that Iran helped kill 600,000 Syrians (they brought the soldiers to kill everyone). Houthi's in Yemen killed tens of thousands and starved hundreds of thousands ... to death, with Iran's help. I mean this is what they do to feel safe, and you are trying to give an argument that they should have nukes so they'll be safe? I'll make a guess, now you're going to "compare" it to some US actions, or perhaps Israel? And we won't be discussing that Iran's IRGC probably killed more of their own people "only to feel safe" in 3 days of January protests than Israel did in 3 years of war in Gaza.
    - mrkeen 5d ago
      Like I said, I got curious to see what they've been up to. Links would have been better.
      - spwa4 4d ago
        Some links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_over_use_of_human_wave_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War#Dispute_... (but generally start reading from the Stalemate onwards) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_key_to_paradise "The high death rate for children is indicated by Brigadier General Mohammad-Saleh Jokar, the head the Students Basij, who stated that 36,000 schoolchildren were killed while only 2,853 were injured during the war." (note: such numbers are only realistic if Iran killed their own wounded children. Let's hope this is not actually true) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_the_Sy... Iran fighting, for years and years, executing massacres, on the side of Bashar Al Assad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah%E2%80%93Iran_relatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_prot... Note the constant reduction in the death toll (and read the talk page for why the numbers were reduced, along with attempted removals of references to Reza Pahlavi. You see the death toll are western disinformation campaigns, and if you check the people, claimed by people who got warnings for being pro-Russian unfair edits ...) And they're still adding to the death toll: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9ggzy3ngo

quietsignal 5d ago

On that second note what about the plant in Bushehr?

mrguyorama 5d ago

>But they are not looking to destroy the world or the region, and yes, sorry to say, but Iran is. Then why did Iran discontinue their other WMD programs, like much cheaper and easier to manage chemical weapons programs? Why is Iran holding back and not targeting Israel's water infrastructure? If they just want to kill everyone they have options right now that they aren't taking. Why does Iran hold back if they would use a nuke as soon as they get one because they just want to destroy the region? Iran objectively wants to build a nuke, and has willingly sacrificed everything to do it, but it wouldn't have taken becoming a rogue state and trillions of dollars of GDP to kill Israel to their liking. Other than a nuke, Israel's retaliation options are fairly limited.

jonplackett 5d ago

I didn’t say they’re given them a bomb. I said nuclear technology. I’m just pointing out that we’re oh so happy to give people who murder gay people weapons and very advanced technology. Because they’re the bad people we like who give us cheap oil. It’s all just used as a narrative to justify war. Like when we go invade somewhere to promote ‘democracy’ but still give money and power to all the little kingdoms with zero Democracy.

scheme271 5d ago

Iran had a pretty strict P5 agreement under Obama that would have prevented Iran getting nukes for sanctions relief and other benefits. For some reason, a president decided to toss it for no apparent benefit. Trump literally said a day or two ago that if Iran had nukes, he'd treat them a lot nicer and would cozy up to them like with China, Russia, and North Korea. Given that what government wouldn't serious consider obtaining nukes if only as a matter of survival?