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I can buy the idea that AIs are making people a lot lazier intellectually, on average. But I do think that for the atypical user that is "information-hungry,"

I can buy the idea that AIs are making people a lot lazier intellectually, on average. But I do think that for the atypical user that is "information-hungry," AIs are a massive productivity booster. I've probably asked ChatGPT 1,000 questions over the last 2 years that I otherwise would have needed to spend 15+ minutes researching. Prior to AI, I would have just... not spent the time looking them up. The danger is just when you start using AI but otherwise continue doing exactly what you were doing before.

lukan 5d ago
"The danger is just when you start using AI but otherwise continue doing exactly what you were doing before." You mean letting AI write the code, but still trying to write the same code by hand? Joke aside, this is still what I am struggling with. I don't really code anymore - not worth it, when I want something done, but I miss it.
- keiferski 5d ago
  I'm not a programmer so I can't really relate directly, I was replying more to the idea of using AI as an information-gathering tool. I guess the analogy could be: with AI you should be doing more complex and more (quantity) programming than you did before. But don't quote me.
  - lukan 5d ago
    " the idea of using AI as an information-gathering tool." Programming is mostly exactly that. You gather want information you need to get the job done. What are the names of the API you call, what are good patterns for this kind of situation etc. But your point still stands as in use of AI can make those skills detoriate. And regarding to coding, that you don't know anymore what is in your codebase, how it actually works. Can happen fast if you let AI run in auto mode.
Planktonne 5d ago
> I do think that for the atypical user that is "information-hungry," > Prior to AI, I would have just... not spent the time looking them up. You're putting yourself in the group of people who are 'information-hungry', but your own evidence suggests that's not the case.
- keiferski 5d ago
  I know you’re trying to be clever and critical (boy am I tired of this trope on HN) but no, I don’t agree. Being curious about a lot of things doesn’t mean you’re willing to invest 15 minutes every time you have a question. AI makes the cost of asking these questions functionally zero. Previously I’d ask maybe 1/10 of them on Reddit, get a smartass negative answer, if I get an answer at all. Now I have an assistant that answers an infinite number of questions on demand. I suspect that a lot of AI-hostility from tech/nerdy people is because they don't have the ability to display their expertise as easily as they did on Stack Overflow/Reddit/etc. A huge percentage of comments on HN are still just people trying to display their knowledge. (And I'm very guilty of that as well.)
  - Planktonne 5d ago
    That's a lot of leaping to conclusions based on a small criticism. I'm rather tired, personally, of the HN trope of people saying that AI is bad for/mis-used by everyone except a carefully-defined group that consists of exactly them. If you're curious now only with AI, I'd say that makes you less curious--"intellectually hungry"--than the people who were curious before, without AI. It's great that you feel you can be more curious now, but I wouldn't be so quick to declare yourself superior to others with no more evidence than that you use AI the same amount.

lukan 5d ago

"The danger is just when you start using AI but otherwise continue doing exactly what you were doing before." You mean letting AI write the code, but still trying to write the same code by hand? Joke aside, this is still what I am struggling with. I don't really code anymore - not worth it, when I want something done, but I miss it.

keiferski 5d ago
I'm not a programmer so I can't really relate directly, I was replying more to the idea of using AI as an information-gathering tool. I guess the analogy could be: with AI you should be doing more complex and more (quantity) programming than you did before. But don't quote me.
- lukan 5d ago
  " the idea of using AI as an information-gathering tool." Programming is mostly exactly that. You gather want information you need to get the job done. What are the names of the API you call, what are good patterns for this kind of situation etc. But your point still stands as in use of AI can make those skills detoriate. And regarding to coding, that you don't know anymore what is in your codebase, how it actually works. Can happen fast if you let AI run in auto mode.

Planktonne 5d ago

> I do think that for the atypical user that is "information-hungry," > Prior to AI, I would have just... not spent the time looking them up. You're putting yourself in the group of people who are 'information-hungry', but your own evidence suggests that's not the case.

keiferski 5d ago
I know you’re trying to be clever and critical (boy am I tired of this trope on HN) but no, I don’t agree. Being curious about a lot of things doesn’t mean you’re willing to invest 15 minutes every time you have a question. AI makes the cost of asking these questions functionally zero. Previously I’d ask maybe 1/10 of them on Reddit, get a smartass negative answer, if I get an answer at all. Now I have an assistant that answers an infinite number of questions on demand. I suspect that a lot of AI-hostility from tech/nerdy people is because they don't have the ability to display their expertise as easily as they did on Stack Overflow/Reddit/etc. A huge percentage of comments on HN are still just people trying to display their knowledge. (And I'm very guilty of that as well.)
- Planktonne 5d ago
  That's a lot of leaping to conclusions based on a small criticism. I'm rather tired, personally, of the HN trope of people saying that AI is bad for/mis-used by everyone except a carefully-defined group that consists of exactly them. If you're curious now only with AI, I'd say that makes you less curious--"intellectually hungry"--than the people who were curious before, without AI. It's great that you feel you can be more curious now, but I wouldn't be so quick to declare yourself superior to others with no more evidence than that you use AI the same amount.