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I was discussing this the other day. Shame and shaming are alive and well. Especially if you do not agree with whatever paradigm is being pushed, like supportin

I was discussing this the other day. Shame and shaming are alive and well. Especially if you do not agree with whatever paradigm is being pushed, like supporting sports team X or not holding the prevailing opinion.

layer8 5d ago
Shaming being alive and well doesn’t imply that shame is.
dude250711 5d ago
The "-phobic" seems to be the suffix to use these days. Just slap it on your favourite term and hurl it at the opponent.
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- mawadev 5d ago
  Are you load-bearingophobic?
  - fc417fc802 5d ago
    HN is rife with slopphobia.
- account42 5d ago
  You sound phobiaphobic.
WorldIQ 5d ago
Agree. Shame is very much not dead. Gen Z is an entire generation paralyzed by social anxiety.
shoobiedoo 5d ago
I don't really know if I would call that shame, though. In Japan if you wear your shoes into someone's house you'll be lambasted with shame, but that's got a deep religious and cultural foundation behind it-- the person being shamed gets their nose rubbed into their mistake so that they don't do it again. There is a "re-centering" of the person so they get another chance. Nowadays in the west, holding an option contrary to whatever herd you find yourself in falls into a binary label. There is no redemption for you, there is no second chance. "You voted for X? You're nothing but evil thoughts and vacuity where a human could have been".
- iamnothere 5d ago
  I do love Japan, but it also has serious problems with public shaming, particularly in schools (shame bullying) and with people who have media attention (idols, celebrities, influencers). It’s worse than in the US because people seem to internalize the shame more, so they will sometimes get bullied out of public life because they have too much debt, go through a messy divorce, or something like that. Japanese media companies also seem to treat shamed people as “toxic” and will drop them at the slightest hint of a scandal, which makes things worse. OTOH Japan is generally very functional, despite this problem, so perhaps this is their homegrown Omelas. The few suffer greatly and unjustly so that the social order doesn’t break down. Hard to say. I hope it is possible for them to fix the problem without losing their culture.
Melatonic 5d ago
People care that much about sports ?
- nephihaha 4d ago
  People kill each other over sports allegiances. Someone had been stabbed to death outside my workplace in Glasgow for wearing the wrong football top.

layer8 5d ago

Shaming being alive and well doesn’t imply that shame is.

dude250711 5d ago

The "-phobic" seems to be the suffix to use these days. Just slap it on your favourite term and hurl it at the opponent.

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mawadev 5d ago
Are you load-bearingophobic?
- fc417fc802 5d ago
  HN is rife with slopphobia.
account42 5d ago
You sound phobiaphobic.

WorldIQ 5d ago

Agree. Shame is very much not dead. Gen Z is an entire generation paralyzed by social anxiety.

shoobiedoo 5d ago

I don't really know if I would call that shame, though. In Japan if you wear your shoes into someone's house you'll be lambasted with shame, but that's got a deep religious and cultural foundation behind it-- the person being shamed gets their nose rubbed into their mistake so that they don't do it again. There is a "re-centering" of the person so they get another chance. Nowadays in the west, holding an option contrary to whatever herd you find yourself in falls into a binary label. There is no redemption for you, there is no second chance. "You voted for X? You're nothing but evil thoughts and vacuity where a human could have been".

iamnothere 5d ago
I do love Japan, but it also has serious problems with public shaming, particularly in schools (shame bullying) and with people who have media attention (idols, celebrities, influencers). It’s worse than in the US because people seem to internalize the shame more, so they will sometimes get bullied out of public life because they have too much debt, go through a messy divorce, or something like that. Japanese media companies also seem to treat shamed people as “toxic” and will drop them at the slightest hint of a scandal, which makes things worse. OTOH Japan is generally very functional, despite this problem, so perhaps this is their homegrown Omelas. The few suffer greatly and unjustly so that the social order doesn’t break down. Hard to say. I hope it is possible for them to fix the problem without losing their culture.

Melatonic 5d ago

People care that much about sports ?

nephihaha 4d ago
People kill each other over sports allegiances. Someone had been stabbed to death outside my workplace in Glasgow for wearing the wrong football top.