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Only the countries that have not yet transitioned to clean energy
by Kelteseth 6d ago
Only the countries that have not yet transitioned to clean energy
- XorNot 6d agoThat's all of them.
- vrganj 6d agoMaybe this war will change that?
- toasty228 6d agoUnless you're ready to give up on a lot of convenience this is just not happening.
- vrganj 6d agoHmm, I think for me personally the only thing I'd need to change is the heating in my apartment and I'm already planning to invest in a heat pump.
- xienze 6d agoYes, the things that affect your lifestyle w.r.t. oil are contained to just you and your apartment.
- vrganj 6d agoInstead of a sarcastic swipe, you could try making an actual argument and tell me how I would personally be affected.
- xienze 6d agoWell let's start with goods and services being more expensive?
- toasty228 6d agoMost clothes, food, medicine, every bit of plastic you own, the tools used to make your heat pump, the rebar in your apartment walls, etc. none of this exists without fossil fuel, or at least not at this price/scale
- seb1204 5d agoYou are not wrong, but there is no reason to assume that things can't change. A heat pump irrespective of the material it's made of will be better than a gas heater over its life.
- toasty228 5d ago> You are not wrong, but there is no reason to assume that things can't change. No reason to assume that we can change either. 99.99% of progress we enjoy today came from burning non renewable shit, if you think we can change paradigm while keeping all our cheap convenience and technologies I think you're making a bigger bet than I am
- lazyasciiart 6d agoFor you personally, I'm guessing your lifestyle depends very heavily on everyone in the apartments and buildings around you, and the grocery stores that supply you, and the roads that they move goods over, and the materials they manufacture in order to distribute power and water and collect sewage....so unless all of them have transitioned, I think you're overestimating your resilience to the loss of fossil fuels.
- toasty228 6d agoI'd wager 90% of things you own and do wouldn't exist without fossil fuels, including your heat pump and your apartment
- seb1204 5d agoI think this war has resulted in some speed increases in some changes, e.g. ev adoption, electric trucks. Still lots to do
- LunaSea 6d agoThat's basically all countries
- toasty228 6d agoThere is no clean energy, we don't know how to build any of the "clean energy" harvestors without using massive amount of fossil fuel.
- chpatrick 6d agohttps://iea-pvps.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fact-Sheet-IEA-PVPS-T12-23-LCA-update-2022.pdf https://iea-pvps.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fact-Sheet-I... Making and using a modern solar panel emits up to 44 grams of CO2 equivalent greenhouse gas per kWh over its lifetime as opposed to up to 1000 grams for fossil fuel generators. That's 20x cleaner.
- toasty228 6d agoSure buddy, now go make me a solar panel without using fossil fuel, including mining, refining, processing, etc.
- chpatrick 6d agoThat's included in the number, buddy. Read the report. https://iea-pvps.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/IEA-PVPS-LCI-report-2020.pdf https://iea-pvps.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/IEA-PVPS-LCI...
- cjrp 6d agoAnd countries that import goods. If you supply chain needs diesel, you're going to be paying more.
- Kelteseth 6d agoIn Germany we have had a great influx of electric trucks in the last year
- spiclk 6d ago"clean" - only at the point of use! (I'm using the traditional definition of "clean", as in, "not making a mess").