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I'm happy with this change. I love Kagi but don't use the translate feature enough to warrant being charged extra for it. If usage patterns are such they feel t

I'm happy with this change. I love Kagi but don't use the translate feature enough to warrant being charged extra for it. If usage patterns are such they feel the need to do this I'm glad they made it separate instead of increasing my monthly cost.

RIMR 8d ago
As long as this does not represent a trend of splitting every feature off into its own subscription.
- Dayshine 8d ago
  I have to imagine assistant (AI usage) will be next, and swap to pay as you go. And search won't get cheaper because I imagine they've made the mistake of treating the unused AI credit as a subsidy for other services
  - z64 8d ago
    Our $10 search sub price is solely based off of the cost of operating search and has remained unchanged for years (est. 2023), before we offered any LLM-based features as part of our plans. We added AI features to the existing plans at no extra charge. The only thing we preempted was our Ultimate plan (which we initially offered with literally zero extra perks!), anticipating that LLMs would become more capable and popular and require a higher margin to operate at scale. https://blog.kagi.com/unlimited-searches-for-10 https://blog.kagi.com/unlimited-searches-for-10
- z64 8d ago
  Transparently, what we have been discussing is to offer our keystone products (search, assistant, translate, email, ...) as standalone items. Then we will offer a all-in-one Kagi bundle that has everything under one payment. The reason for this boils down to the following observations: - Cost of operation at scale varies wildly between these, making it complicated to operate and manage cash flow - Complexity for the consumer gets unruly as arbitrary things are limited to our fixed brackets of standard/pro/ultimate, we'll need some crazy matrix to explain what is included in each one - Apprehension in our customer base about paying for things they don't want, chiefly AI related features. Some people just want search and don't want to pay for anything else, even if its included for free. Itemizing our ecosystem addresses each of these by letting people pay for what they want, and ignore what they don't. If you want Kagi mail, you just get Kagi mail - there is no gymnastics of "I want Kagi mail, but I need extra storage so I need ultimate, but I don't need Assistant stuff, ...". From a business POV it will cleanly fund each initiative without everything competing for the same $10. This is still on the whiteboard and not set in stone - so don't take what I'm saying as gospel - but it is generally where our heads are at in terms of managing the complexity of our offerings, cost of operation, and consumer piece of mind. It's a very difficult problem to navigate! Edit: I mention Kagi Mail here, some people may not know but it is in a closed-ish beta at the moment - we hope to bring it to market by EOY!

RIMR 8d ago

As long as this does not represent a trend of splitting every feature off into its own subscription.

Dayshine 8d ago
I have to imagine assistant (AI usage) will be next, and swap to pay as you go. And search won't get cheaper because I imagine they've made the mistake of treating the unused AI credit as a subsidy for other services
- z64 8d ago
  Our $10 search sub price is solely based off of the cost of operating search and has remained unchanged for years (est. 2023), before we offered any LLM-based features as part of our plans. We added AI features to the existing plans at no extra charge. The only thing we preempted was our Ultimate plan (which we initially offered with literally zero extra perks!), anticipating that LLMs would become more capable and popular and require a higher margin to operate at scale. https://blog.kagi.com/unlimited-searches-for-10 https://blog.kagi.com/unlimited-searches-for-10
z64 8d ago
Transparently, what we have been discussing is to offer our keystone products (search, assistant, translate, email, ...) as standalone items. Then we will offer a all-in-one Kagi bundle that has everything under one payment. The reason for this boils down to the following observations: - Cost of operation at scale varies wildly between these, making it complicated to operate and manage cash flow - Complexity for the consumer gets unruly as arbitrary things are limited to our fixed brackets of standard/pro/ultimate, we'll need some crazy matrix to explain what is included in each one - Apprehension in our customer base about paying for things they don't want, chiefly AI related features. Some people just want search and don't want to pay for anything else, even if its included for free. Itemizing our ecosystem addresses each of these by letting people pay for what they want, and ignore what they don't. If you want Kagi mail, you just get Kagi mail - there is no gymnastics of "I want Kagi mail, but I need extra storage so I need ultimate, but I don't need Assistant stuff, ...". From a business POV it will cleanly fund each initiative without everything competing for the same $10. This is still on the whiteboard and not set in stone - so don't take what I'm saying as gospel - but it is generally where our heads are at in terms of managing the complexity of our offerings, cost of operation, and consumer piece of mind. It's a very difficult problem to navigate! Edit: I mention Kagi Mail here, some people may not know but it is in a closed-ish beta at the moment - we hope to bring it to market by EOY!