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Loosely related, you may want to check your own privacy settings at https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud/settings/data#settings/DataControls https://chatgpt.com/cod

• tristanj 7d ago
  That OpenAI setting helps, but there is a better way to do it. To completely opt-out of training, submit a request via the OpenAI privacy portal. Visit this website https://privacy.openai.com/policies/en/ https://privacy.openai.com/policies/en/ , click "Make a Privacy Request", choose "Do not train on my content", and complete the form. That submits a formal objection to training on your data, as required by GDPR/your local legislation.
  • rich_sasha 7d ago
    Haha. I am 100% these companies will ignore this if they choose to. Just as they played fast and loose with copyright rules. They would do it, the say “ah sorry chaps, impossible to extract it from the dataset by now, anyway we anonymized it so can’t tell what’s what, and we can’t risk losing to China. Oh look - did you see Superman fly outside?”.
    • nicce 7d ago
      European users have right to be forgotten. Waiting for the court order to delete all models.
    • deleted 7d ago
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    • tristanj 7d ago
      This form is legally binding and has more legal weight than just clicking a toggle. If they still train on my data, they can get sued, and I'll get a payout.
      • moljac024 7d ago
        How would you prove they trained on your data specifically?
        • Ancapistani 6d ago
          Showing that a novel mathematical approach was in your prompts shortly before the model “proposes” that approach to relative amateurs would be ideal, if only we had a case like that…
          • itemize123 6d ago
            and still they denied it - it only shows that we have little recourse.
            • Ancapistani 6d ago
              It’s possible that they didn’t train on it, and the approach was derived by the LLM. What’s a problem is that they haven’t outright denied it. That could be caution and them doing their due diligence first, it could be that it was intentional and they didn’t expect to get caught, or it could be because they have no way of knowing themselves.
      • vuurmot 6d ago
        Fighting legally against one of the richest companies in existence, with the entire American apparatus behind it, is a brave move
        • bot403 6d ago
          The world is pretty pissed at the u.s. and seeking sovereign models and ai. Richest or not if the companies are wise they will try a bit not to piss off the entire rest of the world. At this point many countries are willing to cut off the u.s. even if they take a short or medium term hit.
      • 63stack 6d ago
  • simianwords 7d ago
    > but there is a better way to do it. This looks incorrect. OpenAI have flat out said that there's no need of doing this and both ways are equivalent > We respect our users' choice whether to use their data to “improve our models for everyone” regardless of where they express that choice. Users can opt out in the in-app settings or indeed also in our privacy portal. They do not need to opt out in both places, and we will make this clearer in our Help Center. https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097746417012166816 https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097746417012166816
    • my-huge-pony 6d ago
      Even if that's true right now, if one of the options is legally binding and the other is "we promise not to eat your data... for now", the first option is still better.
      • simianwords 6d ago
        so what option do you leave them with? they are giving both alternatives and clearly stating both do the same thing underneath. there's literally nothing else they could have done here.
        • tristanj 6d ago
          Option A can be accidentally undone with a few clicks. Option B is legally binding and permanent.
          • simianwords 6d ago
            I get it, but what option does OpenAI have here other than to present the two options?
    • tristanj 6d ago
      They're not equivalent. The one in ChatGPT settings only applies to ChatGPT. The one on the OpenAI privacy portal applies to all OpenAI products, present and future.