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Trump promises $5k payout to U.S. adults if Republicans win election
- HDBaseT 7d ago"The only caveat I have is that the dividend that we're making must be spent in the United States of America."
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- bmitc 7d agoI would ask how this is legal, but then again, we wouldn't even be here if something being legal or not mattered.
- wmf 7d agoIt's no different than promises to increase welfare or cut taxes that politicians routinely make.
- bmitc 7d agoThis is much different than that. It's basically a direct bribe.
- nichos 7d agoOr pay off student loan debt, it's all crooked, both sides.
- ggm 7d agoPlease beware the false moral equivalence. Both sides is a position which advantages the incumbency. What is your intent, beyond cynicism?
- throwaway81523 7d agoBiden promised $2000 and paid out $1400, still owes us $600 each. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/critics-say-bidens-covid-relief-plan-breaks-promise-of-2000-dollar-checks.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/critics-say-bidens-covid-rel...
- alyeska2 7d ago"Both sides" is such an absurd claim these days. It's like saying that a murderer and a jaywalker are both criminals, so they're basically the same.
- mathisfun123 7d agoLol I see you've never met a stallman type (ie your average hn disposition)
- MisterMower 7d agoYou’re right, the “both sides” claim really doesn’t work here. Biden’s student loan forgiveness would have amounted to a gift of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to his most ardent supporters: young, college educated, poor people. Trump’s proposal is a fraction of that, and all Americans would be eligible. If he’s trying to buy votes, he’s going to need to try a lot harder. This proposal is nothing like Biden’s vote buying scheme.
- bmitc 7d agoHave you missed where Trump himself and many of the wealthiest people in the U.S. have had integer multiples of their wealth over just the past couple of years? > young, college educated, poor people Oh yea, you're correct, who needs those? Let's feed the 0.01%.
- Arodex 7d agoFunny that you wake up and rise only now. Where was you righteous indignation when Republicans promises tax cuts? Can you point me to your contemporary reaction to "no tax on tips"? What made you react only now?
- bmitc 7d agoExactly. And by doing so, we slowly allow jaywalkers to become murderers but still viewed as "oh, it's just another person jaywalking again".
- Arodex 7d agoYes it is different: he conditioned it on voting for him. And he is not claiming to improve any governmental system to finance this, like other politicians do when they promise welfare or tax cuts: he is saying the money is there, he is the only one who can use it, and whether you get it or not depends on giving him your vote.
- fuzzfactor 7d agoIt would probably make more difference if it was paid in advance :) Actually people would have to be an idiot to settle for anything less from Trump. When you think about it, if Trump genuinely trusted the average American, he would pay in advance. OTOH, Americans will be able to see if they can trust Trump by whether or not he pays in advance no matter what. Whoever's paying attention.
- root_axis 7d agoEven if legality did matter, the president has criminal immunity for official acts.
- deeg 6d agoThe insane SCOTUS ruled that the president could not be held accountable for illegal acts as long as it was deemed official acts of the US.
- anonym00se1 7d agoAn incredible stain on the history of the US.
- mathisfun123 7d agojust one question: is it a deeper or shallower stain than slavery, trail of tears, lynchings, nuking japan, vietnam, 1 million dead in the second gulf war, etc etc etc? lol
- SomeHacker44 7d agoGood way to spend $1.3T that this party of fiscal responsibility doesn't have.
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- ryan_lane 7d ago> Democrats have historically been the party of “vote for me for more free stuff," Democrats are more fiscally responsible than Republicans, consistently, for decades. You're perpetuating a myth, pushed by conservatives, that liberals are "tax and spend". > these vote buying schemes from both parties Where do you see vote buying schemes from the Democrat side? The only examples I've seen so far of this in reality are this current scheme, and Elon Musk's scheme last election. "Both sides" are not equal. Republicans have given up on the rule of law and are actively aiming to eliminate democracy.
- pogue 7d agoSince becoming president again, Trump has promised: -$5000 stimulus checks via "DOGE dividend" -$2000 stimulus checks via "tariff dividend" -$1000+ checks via "savings" from expiring ACA subsidies -$5000 "dividend" if Rs win midterms No checks have been issued https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-magically-disappearing-stimulus-checks https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-magically-disappearing-st... Catherine Rampell / The Bulwark via Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3mv4z7az4ps22 https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3mv4z7az4...
- rzzzwilson 7d agoThe sooner this guy is impeached the better. That's better than letting his term just run out as it offers more of a warning to other fruitcakes out there: the system _eventually_ works.
- asdfasvea 7d agoBeen impeached twice. What do you envision a third doing?
- cmurf 7d agoConviction. Removal from office. Third time’s the charm? By all means let Senators defend and protect him. Maybe they don't care about their historical reputation
- krapp 7d agoThat isn't the way it works, there's no "three strikes" law for Presidents. If all of his extant corruption, clear senility and incompetence, throwing the global economy into chaos tumbling ass over end into an unnecessary war he can't even win and the Epstein stuff didn't get him removed from office, then this won't. What we need is a form of legal redress more effective than a stern talking to, which is all impeachment amounts to.
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- shagmin 7d agoThere is a form of legal redress - following through in the senate with impeachment. Trump had sufficient allies in the senate when he was impeached so they dismissed it but if instead they had a 2/3 vote he could've be removed from office.
- ModernMech 6d agoThey gave Trump presidential immunity partly because the remedy for addressing any perceived lawlessness, they figured, is provided by the impeachment process. If impeachment is forclosed as even a possibility, the president is truly immune from any consequences.
- BoggleOhYeah 7d agoThis guy loves inflation.
- cmurf 7d agoIt wouldn’t just monetize the national debt. By inflating away his own debts he might actually become a billionaire.
- exabrial 7d agoEveryone wants to know why groceries are so damn expensive, here's your answer. Along with fighting wars that aren't ours. I really wish Libertarians would actually win.
- Synthetic7346 7d agoLibertarians are just conservatives who like weed
- AnimalMuppet 7d agoWell, conservatives that were actually conservative would be a nice thing to have.
- exabrial 7d agowell that, and: And guns And no foreign wars And the right to marry whomever you want or be in a relationship with whomever you want. And minimal State with demilitarized police. And leaving you alone to do whatever.
- Freedom2 6d agoLibertarians should try at a small scale first so that others can see the genius of their ideas, and be more encouraged to vote for them. I hear New Hampshire has towns open to this idea.
- euroderf 7d ago"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -Alexis De Tocqueville But turns out it's a fun game for another branch of government too.
- pulvinar 7d agoSorry but for the record, that's a frequently repeated but unsourced misattribution. Earliest variant found is from 1951.
- k310 7d agoConfederate dollars.
- theGeatZhopa 7d agoI try use my brain to logically approach it: - 5k are promised in case of x to u.s. adults Risk: too much adults to divide 5k equally amongst.
- ivell 7d agoIt is a quite popular reverse bribe in India. All parties offer something like this, but to particular demographics. However Trump's promises mean nothing nowadays.
- Jamesbeam 7d agoGlad the law doesn’t count for the King, otherwise he would be in trouble. The president’s Autopen though is going into overdrive signing all the pardons for every American who actually took the 5k. Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was wilful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
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- ChoGGi 6d ago18 U.S. Code § 597 Not that that matters when you make it up as you go.