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I mean no, not really... Your the one making the claims that these AI companies really, really want regulation, nationalization, a slowdown, or whatever, and th

by ethin 8d ago

I mean no, not really... Your the one making the claims that these AI companies really, really want regulation, nationalization, a slowdown, or whatever, and that they genuinely care about AI safety and it not killing us all. It's up to you to prove it, not for me to just believe you implicitly. So, please, provide the evidence, we're all very curious to see it.

senordevnyc 7d ago
I didn't claim that's what they really want, I claimed that they've repeatedly said that's what they want. Their words and actions are perfectly consistent with each other if they believe they're locked in an arms race. All you've provided is a shallow dismissal of the idea that they're in an arms race, and then from there declared that their actions and words don't match. Which I agree with, if there is no arms race. Everything hinges on whether they're in an arms race. I think they are obviously locked in an arms race, both with each other, and especially with China. You're free to continue dismissing it in this shallow way, I don't really care, but I just found it humorous that I talked about how people can't seem to understand the dynamics of an arms race, and then you immediately jumped to an explanation of their words and actions that ignores the idea of an arms race.
- bigyabai 7d ago
  Their words and actions are also perfectly consistent with fearmongering to force legislation. OpenAI and Anthropic have spent millions on influencers and lobbyists to repeat their scare lines. It makes a lot of sense that the "arms race" framing is a bad-faith negotiation tactic, especially since we haven't seen any real-world LLM superweapons even from Russia or China. So I don't think it's unfair at all to dismiss your theory of an arms race, especially if you can't explain the dangers. Nobody in China is confirming America's super scary AI research, probably because they don't need leverage against the government and global economy. Since we can't see this "safety" research, skepticism is warranted wholly. Going a step further even, OpenAI and Anthropic can't actually bargain for safety or a research cutoff. The federal government can continue LLM weapons research on their own hardware and employees without any interruption, the commercial outcry is not capable of preventing LLMs from being weaponized. There is no way to convince the CCP to stop closed-door research either. It's much too late to do what OpenAI and Anthropic are suggesting, the only possible side effect of regulation is consolidation (which expressly benefits OpenAI and Anthropic as hegemons).

by ethin 8d ago

senordevnyc 7d ago

I didn't claim that's what they really want, I claimed that they've repeatedly said that's what they want. Their words and actions are perfectly consistent with each other if they believe they're locked in an arms race. All you've provided is a shallow dismissal of the idea that they're in an arms race, and then from there declared that their actions and words don't match. Which I agree with, if there is no arms race. Everything hinges on whether they're in an arms race. I think they are obviously locked in an arms race, both with each other, and especially with China. You're free to continue dismissing it in this shallow way, I don't really care, but I just found it humorous that I talked about how people can't seem to understand the dynamics of an arms race, and then you immediately jumped to an explanation of their words and actions that ignores the idea of an arms race.

bigyabai 7d ago
Their words and actions are also perfectly consistent with fearmongering to force legislation. OpenAI and Anthropic have spent millions on influencers and lobbyists to repeat their scare lines. It makes a lot of sense that the "arms race" framing is a bad-faith negotiation tactic, especially since we haven't seen any real-world LLM superweapons even from Russia or China. So I don't think it's unfair at all to dismiss your theory of an arms race, especially if you can't explain the dangers. Nobody in China is confirming America's super scary AI research, probably because they don't need leverage against the government and global economy. Since we can't see this "safety" research, skepticism is warranted wholly. Going a step further even, OpenAI and Anthropic can't actually bargain for safety or a research cutoff. The federal government can continue LLM weapons research on their own hardware and employees without any interruption, the commercial outcry is not capable of preventing LLMs from being weaponized. There is no way to convince the CCP to stop closed-door research either. It's much too late to do what OpenAI and Anthropic are suggesting, the only possible side effect of regulation is consolidation (which expressly benefits OpenAI and Anthropic as hegemons).