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Yeah, even more weird was when they highlighted the privacy aspect of it. Sure, it maintains the wearer's privacy, just not that of anyone around them.

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tshaddox 7d ago
In what way does this violate the privacy of anyone around them? It doesn't even store audio recordings, which is something every smartphone has been able to do for 20 years.
- saagarjha 7d ago
  It keeps information on what they said?
  - tshaddox 7d ago
    15 seconds at a time, when the owner activates the feature. The scale of its recall is not meaningfully different than someone scribbling down 15 seconds worth of what they hear someone say (or even just remembering it), and does not pose a greater privacy risk than a scratchpad or human memory. It’s also much less effective at recording people speaking for long durations than the audio recording feature that every smartphone for the last 20 years has supported.
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    - codercotton 7d ago
      It also does not identify individual speakers.
    - saagarjha 6d ago
      There are two features, you have listed one of them.
  - xp84 7d ago
    If you don't want any one to write down or remember what you said, maybe don't say it to them?
    - mikeocool 7d ago
      Have you never had a conversation someone you trust that you prefer there not be an automated written record of?
      - gumby271 7d ago
        This thread is so fascinating, I had no idea that because I'm comfortable having an intimate conversation with a friend means I'm also okay with a potentially permanent AI summary being generated based on it, and without my knowledge or consent!
      - xp84 6d ago
        Sure. But it's the exception. Most of my conversations are incredibly boring work stuff, where the records are extremely helpful to me too, or incredibly boring logistics discussion with family. Maybe you guys just have a lot more shocking secrets than I do.
    - saagarjha 6d ago
      This is not a person
  - nozzlegear 7d ago
    Human memory keeps more information than this feature does.
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    - saagarjha 6d ago
      Human memory is connected to a person with agency.
      - nozzlegear 6d ago
        Uh, yes?
        saagarjha 6d ago
        Therefore a human is capable of distinguishing what is appropriate or not to be around for
    - lionkor 6d ago
      Human memory does not keep more information than an always-on live transcript of all words spoken around you.
      - nozzlegear 6d ago
        What? It certainly keeps more information that a 15 second transcript.
        bhelkey 6d ago
        There are two different features: "Siri Recap" records throughout the day without the user needing to constantly enable it. It provides AI summaries of the recorded conversations including direct quotes. "Live Rewind" shows an exact transcript of conversation but only of the 15 seconds immediately before the user activated it.
_the_inflator 7d ago
Tell us everything, what happens on tour stays on tour - sure. Just approve that your data is - of course - anonymously used to train AI and regarding intelligence agencies or AI Acts: well, it is not us, it is them. Law is law, you know. We won't tell you anyway. There is no privacy left. And to be honest, people worshipping their phones all day but complaining about privacy is the biggest WTF I have. This doesn't match. Also I am a Mathematician and know statistics very well. The person, who is not on Facebook, but on WhatsApp, who works at X and lives in Y - we got you my friend. You moved away? No problem! Someone photographed you casually, you weren't even the main character, we ignored you, and send it in a group chat you know nothing about. Well, we know all the others and can relate to anyway. And then? Well AI can very well predict you aging - easy. We have you already. Sleep well and dream of being unknown. Because... How do you know what you don't know? I gave up on privacy because there is none anymore. Selling and publication of your data is a whole different story. And that's what Apple means by circumventing the rest.
jiggawatts 7d ago
It maintains everyone’s privacy. Just because your voice was recorded doesn’t necessarily mean it can be played back and/or “stolen”. Your soul won’t be sucked out through Apple Watches.
- gumby271 7d ago
  I think if someone followed me and my friend around and kept a transcript and summary of every conversation between and around us in a little notebook, I would have a basis to say my privacy was being violated, right?
  - jiggawatts 7d ago
    Apple Watch doesn't maintain a transcript of every conversation. The user has to take action, and then it only goes back 15 seconds. If someone is following you around within earshot and fiddling with... a notepad and pencil or a watch or a phone or a tape recorder, then yes, you have reason to be upset. I agree. The ability of the Apple Watch to do what has always been possible doesn't materially change your privacy. [1] Fundamentally, this is an accessibility feature, and Apple -- and other vendors -- have already shipped several similar ones. Were you equally upset by those too? AirProds already 'record' all audio around them! They can even be used as listening devices! https://support.apple.com/en-au/102479 https://support.apple.com/en-au/102479 This reminds me of parents getting hysterical when someone pulls out a DSLR at a kid's soccer game, while standing next to half a dozen parents who are all taking pictures with the phones and immediately uploading them to Meta. [1] There are valid arguments to be made that this will be normalised and cloned... badly by Chinese and South Korean vendors without the privacy safeguards, at which point it is "too late" to put the genie back in the bottle.
    - gumby271 7d ago
      Sorry, you're right about the transcript, it's the summary that's generated that's still off putting. And I don't think we can compare this to weirdos being able to record other people, this is about when my friends come over and I have to wonder if they think it's normal to have running since "it's technically not recording" or "the summary is anonymized. It's normalizing behavior that's just a little weird, like people who use those ai recorders. I fail to see how that's not a violation of my privacy in some way. Also you don't need to point out stupid gatchas about airpods, don't be an ass.
gib444 7d ago
> just not that of anyone around them. What people around me? I exist in my own bubble. It's hip and rebranded selfmaxxing or something these days Get off my lawn !1

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tshaddox 7d ago

In what way does this violate the privacy of anyone around them? It doesn't even store audio recordings, which is something every smartphone has been able to do for 20 years.

saagarjha 7d ago
It keeps information on what they said?
- tshaddox 7d ago
  15 seconds at a time, when the owner activates the feature. The scale of its recall is not meaningfully different than someone scribbling down 15 seconds worth of what they hear someone say (or even just remembering it), and does not pose a greater privacy risk than a scratchpad or human memory. It’s also much less effective at recording people speaking for long durations than the audio recording feature that every smartphone for the last 20 years has supported.
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  - codercotton 7d ago
    It also does not identify individual speakers.
  - saagarjha 6d ago
    There are two features, you have listed one of them.
- xp84 7d ago
  If you don't want any one to write down or remember what you said, maybe don't say it to them?
  - mikeocool 7d ago
    Have you never had a conversation someone you trust that you prefer there not be an automated written record of?
    - gumby271 7d ago
      This thread is so fascinating, I had no idea that because I'm comfortable having an intimate conversation with a friend means I'm also okay with a potentially permanent AI summary being generated based on it, and without my knowledge or consent!
    - xp84 6d ago
      Sure. But it's the exception. Most of my conversations are incredibly boring work stuff, where the records are extremely helpful to me too, or incredibly boring logistics discussion with family. Maybe you guys just have a lot more shocking secrets than I do.
  - saagarjha 6d ago
    This is not a person
- nozzlegear 7d ago
  Human memory keeps more information than this feature does.
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  - saagarjha 6d ago
    Human memory is connected to a person with agency.
    - nozzlegear 6d ago
      Uh, yes?
      - saagarjha 6d ago
        Therefore a human is capable of distinguishing what is appropriate or not to be around for
  - lionkor 6d ago
    Human memory does not keep more information than an always-on live transcript of all words spoken around you.
    - nozzlegear 6d ago
      What? It certainly keeps more information that a 15 second transcript.
      - bhelkey 6d ago
        There are two different features: "Siri Recap" records throughout the day without the user needing to constantly enable it. It provides AI summaries of the recorded conversations including direct quotes. "Live Rewind" shows an exact transcript of conversation but only of the 15 seconds immediately before the user activated it.

_the_inflator 7d ago

Tell us everything, what happens on tour stays on tour - sure. Just approve that your data is - of course - anonymously used to train AI and regarding intelligence agencies or AI Acts: well, it is not us, it is them. Law is law, you know. We won't tell you anyway. There is no privacy left. And to be honest, people worshipping their phones all day but complaining about privacy is the biggest WTF I have. This doesn't match. Also I am a Mathematician and know statistics very well. The person, who is not on Facebook, but on WhatsApp, who works at X and lives in Y - we got you my friend. You moved away? No problem! Someone photographed you casually, you weren't even the main character, we ignored you, and send it in a group chat you know nothing about. Well, we know all the others and can relate to anyway. And then? Well AI can very well predict you aging - easy. We have you already. Sleep well and dream of being unknown. Because... How do you know what you don't know? I gave up on privacy because there is none anymore. Selling and publication of your data is a whole different story. And that's what Apple means by circumventing the rest.

jiggawatts 7d ago

It maintains everyone’s privacy. Just because your voice was recorded doesn’t necessarily mean it can be played back and/or “stolen”. Your soul won’t be sucked out through Apple Watches.

gumby271 7d ago
I think if someone followed me and my friend around and kept a transcript and summary of every conversation between and around us in a little notebook, I would have a basis to say my privacy was being violated, right?
- jiggawatts 7d ago
  Apple Watch doesn't maintain a transcript of every conversation. The user has to take action, and then it only goes back 15 seconds. If someone is following you around within earshot and fiddling with... a notepad and pencil or a watch or a phone or a tape recorder, then yes, you have reason to be upset. I agree. The ability of the Apple Watch to do what has always been possible doesn't materially change your privacy. [1] Fundamentally, this is an accessibility feature, and Apple -- and other vendors -- have already shipped several similar ones. Were you equally upset by those too? AirProds already 'record' all audio around them! They can even be used as listening devices! https://support.apple.com/en-au/102479 https://support.apple.com/en-au/102479 This reminds me of parents getting hysterical when someone pulls out a DSLR at a kid's soccer game, while standing next to half a dozen parents who are all taking pictures with the phones and immediately uploading them to Meta. [1] There are valid arguments to be made that this will be normalised and cloned... badly by Chinese and South Korean vendors without the privacy safeguards, at which point it is "too late" to put the genie back in the bottle.
  - gumby271 7d ago
    Sorry, you're right about the transcript, it's the summary that's generated that's still off putting. And I don't think we can compare this to weirdos being able to record other people, this is about when my friends come over and I have to wonder if they think it's normal to have running since "it's technically not recording" or "the summary is anonymized. It's normalizing behavior that's just a little weird, like people who use those ai recorders. I fail to see how that's not a violation of my privacy in some way. Also you don't need to point out stupid gatchas about airpods, don't be an ass.

gib444 7d ago

> just not that of anyone around them. What people around me? I exist in my own bubble. It's hip and rebranded selfmaxxing or something these days Get off my lawn !1