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I wonder whether he's vested any options, and whether he's exercised them.

matsemann 8d ago
Why? I've never understood the sentiment that if you stand up for something you have to forego everything and not partake in society. "Oh, you want to stop climate change? But I saw you breathe co2 yesterday"
- gizmodo59 8d ago
  This is a lame argument. Questioning his financial incentive is very legit. Why should we trust him?
  - frabcus 8d ago
    Questioning his finances is a poor argument because he clearly would have more money if he had stayed at Anthropic for the next couple of years, than he will have by leaving. Even if he still has vested options, or savings from his salary or whatever, those would be larger if he stayed.
    - gizmodo59 7d ago
      The fame he got, the stamp of a frontier lab in the resume - its worth more than working in many other companies for years. Plus, not everyone thinks working more is needed once they achieve a certain number.
    - ungovernableCat 8d ago
      I think it’s a valid question to ask if he quit the company for moral reasons. If you seriously think the frontier labs are dangerously playing with everyone’s lives (how many companies can even claim this civilisational scale) then why would you be ok with holding vested shares which will grow in value if the corporation achieves what it aims to achieve? At the very least you can sell them (they’re not so illiquid considering the company’s hype and success) and invest in the broad market.
    - stonogo 7d ago
      Unless, of course, he starts working for a competitor at a higher salary. I'm sure whoever is paying him will be free of the ethical concerns he here expressed.
    - sillyfluke 7d ago
      > clearly Debatable, and clearly not clear. It's weird to say this when there are obvious counter examples staring us in the face, not least of all the founder of the company he just left, of who (Dario) people could have said the same thing when he left OpenAI. Granted, there is less likelihood now then there was then but this much is clear: if he starts his own company, he may make more.

Why? I've never understood the sentiment that if you stand up for something you have to forego everything and not partake in society. "Oh, you want to stop climate change? But I saw you breathe co2 yesterday"

gizmodo59 8d ago
This is a lame argument. Questioning his financial incentive is very legit. Why should we trust him?
- frabcus 8d ago
  Questioning his finances is a poor argument because he clearly would have more money if he had stayed at Anthropic for the next couple of years, than he will have by leaving. Even if he still has vested options, or savings from his salary or whatever, those would be larger if he stayed.
  - gizmodo59 7d ago
    The fame he got, the stamp of a frontier lab in the resume - its worth more than working in many other companies for years. Plus, not everyone thinks working more is needed once they achieve a certain number.
  - ungovernableCat 8d ago
    I think it’s a valid question to ask if he quit the company for moral reasons. If you seriously think the frontier labs are dangerously playing with everyone’s lives (how many companies can even claim this civilisational scale) then why would you be ok with holding vested shares which will grow in value if the corporation achieves what it aims to achieve? At the very least you can sell them (they’re not so illiquid considering the company’s hype and success) and invest in the broad market.
  - stonogo 7d ago
    Unless, of course, he starts working for a competitor at a higher salary. I'm sure whoever is paying him will be free of the ethical concerns he here expressed.
  - sillyfluke 7d ago
    > clearly Debatable, and clearly not clear. It's weird to say this when there are obvious counter examples staring us in the face, not least of all the founder of the company he just left, of who (Dario) people could have said the same thing when he left OpenAI. Granted, there is less likelihood now then there was then but this much is clear: if he starts his own company, he may make more.