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This is being reported as OpenAI wanting to strip an Anthropic employee of academic credit for the work they did. What the OpenAI person involved is claiming is

This is being reported as OpenAI wanting to strip an Anthropic employee of academic credit for the work they did. What the OpenAI person involved is claiming is that they wanted the outside researcher(s) to put their name on OpenAI's work: to headline OpenAI's publication of what they earnestly believed to be an independent result. If true, that's generous and beyond the level of generosity one should expect. Extending that courtesy (beyond academic norms) to a competitor is expecting too much. It take a result OpenAI spent millions of dollars on, and put "Anthropic Researcher" right on the cover. This is, of course, taking OpenAI's side of the story at face value. But it is a consistent, coherent, and ethically justifiable series of events, if indeed it happened that way.

johnnienaked 10d ago
It's a ridiculous explanation that makes no sense.
tovej 10d ago
Nothing ethically justifiable about it, even if you take their word for it. If OpenAI thinks someone should be the lead author for a paper, that person should have full discretion to decide who the co-authors are. Even if the co-author's contributions were non-technical So no, there's no world where you can ethically extend the right to publish a result and decide who the authors are from the outside.
troupo 10d ago
> What the OpenAI person involved is claiming is that they wanted the outside researcher(s) to put their name on OpenAI's work > If true, that's generous and beyond the level of generosity one should expect "We highly likely stole your work, and threatened you with 'this is bad for your career' and we refuse to acknowledge any work by your collaborator just because he works at a competitor, but we are so so so so generous"
- adastra22 9d ago
  The two proofs are structurally very different, and don’t even prove the same conjecture. It’s becoming very clear that OpenAI did not steal anything here.
  - geocar 9d ago
    Bullshit. Ain’t no way you read one 100 page paper let alone two with enough understanding to make such a claim. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
  - CamperBob2 9d ago
    User name checks out
  - troupo 9d ago
    If it was "very clear", OpenAI wouldn't be threatening the researcher with "it's very bad for your career" or state "we can't tell you if it was trained on user input". Additionally, according to the researcher, OpenAI's proof follows the same approach they used, and which was largely unused in academia, but OpenAI claimes they arrived at it immediately.

johnnienaked 10d ago

It's a ridiculous explanation that makes no sense.

tovej 10d ago

Nothing ethically justifiable about it, even if you take their word for it. If OpenAI thinks someone should be the lead author for a paper, that person should have full discretion to decide who the co-authors are. Even if the co-author's contributions were non-technical So no, there's no world where you can ethically extend the right to publish a result and decide who the authors are from the outside.

troupo 10d ago

> What the OpenAI person involved is claiming is that they wanted the outside researcher(s) to put their name on OpenAI's work > If true, that's generous and beyond the level of generosity one should expect "We highly likely stole your work, and threatened you with 'this is bad for your career' and we refuse to acknowledge any work by your collaborator just because he works at a competitor, but we are so so so so generous"

adastra22 9d ago
The two proofs are structurally very different, and don’t even prove the same conjecture. It’s becoming very clear that OpenAI did not steal anything here.
- geocar 9d ago
  Bullshit. Ain’t no way you read one 100 page paper let alone two with enough understanding to make such a claim. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
- CamperBob2 9d ago
  User name checks out
- troupo 9d ago
  If it was "very clear", OpenAI wouldn't be threatening the researcher with "it's very bad for your career" or state "we can't tell you if it was trained on user input". Additionally, according to the researcher, OpenAI's proof follows the same approach they used, and which was largely unused in academia, but OpenAI claimes they arrived at it immediately.