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what reason do we have to believe that they did this? both things were proved by AI, isn't it logical that they could have very similar approaches? it is commo

what reason do we have to believe that they did this? both things were proved by AI, isn't it logical that they could have very similar approaches? it is common that multiple people essentially simultaneously prove/invent the same thing I see zero evidence of wrongdoing

j16sdiz 8d ago
This depends on what "proved by AI" meant. Was that a one shot prompt? or something guided by human, step by step? If that's the later, it won't use the same approach when not guided by the same human.
- efavdb 8d ago
  Apparently Tristan was working on this problem for years, with AI providing help. Vs OpenAI spending a week with their new model, potentially having access to Tristan’s work.
rakejake 8d ago
OAI started working on this only after they found out it was close to being solved. They threw a team of researchers who spent sleepless nights + a ton of compute. This is not exactly healthy academic competition - it's like if you spend a year hunting for oil fields and finally find a very promising area to be explored, only to find that Exxon tapped their entire exploration unit to go all in and and find it overnight just to stake claim to the discovery. Tao said it right - math should not be treated as a non-renewable resource to be mined.
- spongebobstoes 8d ago
  that is not related to the accusation that they literally stole Buckmaster's work, which seems baseless I don't agree with the oil claim analogy. this is knowledge, freely given to the world. not something hoarded by a corporation
  - JumpCrisscross 8d ago
    > this is knowledge, freely given to the world Even if you’re starting from a position that credit for a discovery literally can’t be stolen, that still doesn’t resolve in OpenAI’s favor here.
    - spongebobstoes 8d ago
      it seems like OAI tried to share, but didn't want to share with an Ant employee. a bit childish, but understandable to want to avoid a headline "Anthropic researcher solves Millennium problem" it seems like Buckmaster got one-upped and is upset. understandable, but I find their reaction childish as well
      - JumpCrisscross 8d ago
        > OAI tried to share, but didn't want to share with an Ant employee Why does OpenAI get to dictate who Buckmaster can claim co-authorship with? > I find their reaction childish OpenAI may have, with full plausible deniability, taken Buckmaster’s work and passed it off—in substantial part—as their own. (Fitting into a fact pattern of them having tried to do the same with Apple.) There is a material takeaway for anyone who does creative or otherwise unique work from this. (Which is unfortunate. Whatever happened here, AI clearly accelerated the discovery process.) For anyone else, I agree it’s just drama.
        spongebobstoes 8d ago
        OAI didn't try to claim Buckmaster's work as their own. OAI tried to let Buckmaster present OAI's work. it is nearly the opposite of your accusation
        s1artibartfast 7d ago
        Pretty strange if they didnt steal Buckmaster's work, right
        6d ago
JumpCrisscross 8d ago
> what reason do we have to believe that they did this? The culture at OpenAI being systematically revealed by Apple’s lawsuit, for one.

j16sdiz 8d ago

This depends on what "proved by AI" meant. Was that a one shot prompt? or something guided by human, step by step? If that's the later, it won't use the same approach when not guided by the same human.

efavdb 8d ago
Apparently Tristan was working on this problem for years, with AI providing help. Vs OpenAI spending a week with their new model, potentially having access to Tristan’s work.

rakejake 8d ago

OAI started working on this only after they found out it was close to being solved. They threw a team of researchers who spent sleepless nights + a ton of compute. This is not exactly healthy academic competition - it's like if you spend a year hunting for oil fields and finally find a very promising area to be explored, only to find that Exxon tapped their entire exploration unit to go all in and and find it overnight just to stake claim to the discovery. Tao said it right - math should not be treated as a non-renewable resource to be mined.

spongebobstoes 8d ago
that is not related to the accusation that they literally stole Buckmaster's work, which seems baseless I don't agree with the oil claim analogy. this is knowledge, freely given to the world. not something hoarded by a corporation
- JumpCrisscross 8d ago
  > this is knowledge, freely given to the world Even if you’re starting from a position that credit for a discovery literally can’t be stolen, that still doesn’t resolve in OpenAI’s favor here.
  - spongebobstoes 8d ago
    it seems like OAI tried to share, but didn't want to share with an Ant employee. a bit childish, but understandable to want to avoid a headline "Anthropic researcher solves Millennium problem" it seems like Buckmaster got one-upped and is upset. understandable, but I find their reaction childish as well
    - JumpCrisscross 8d ago
      > OAI tried to share, but didn't want to share with an Ant employee Why does OpenAI get to dictate who Buckmaster can claim co-authorship with? > I find their reaction childish OpenAI may have, with full plausible deniability, taken Buckmaster’s work and passed it off—in substantial part—as their own. (Fitting into a fact pattern of them having tried to do the same with Apple.) There is a material takeaway for anyone who does creative or otherwise unique work from this. (Which is unfortunate. Whatever happened here, AI clearly accelerated the discovery process.) For anyone else, I agree it’s just drama.
      - spongebobstoes 8d ago
        OAI didn't try to claim Buckmaster's work as their own. OAI tried to let Buckmaster present OAI's work. it is nearly the opposite of your accusation
        s1artibartfast 7d ago
        Pretty strange if they didnt steal Buckmaster's work, right
        6d ago

JumpCrisscross 8d ago

> what reason do we have to believe that they did this? The culture at OpenAI being systematically revealed by Apple’s lawsuit, for one.