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When I still payed Dota, there was a wiki hosted on fandom. The experience was terrible. It wasn't always update-to-date with the latest patch, and on mobile t
by raincole 8d ago
When I still payed Dota, there was a wiki hosted on fandom.
The experience was terrible. It wasn't always update-to-date with the latest patch, and on mobile there were so many ads rendering the whole thing unreadable.
The catch is that there was a better wiki, called Liquipedia. But Google never showed it first and I kept getting tricked to click that shitty fandom site.
(It was years ago. But I just tested it a bit and for most Dota-related keywords, fandom is still ranked higher than liquipedia. I don't know if the quality of fandom site has improved though.)
- saghm 8d agoBack when I played WoW, at some point the people running the fandom wiki "forked" it to move to different hosting, and I think even now years later the fandom one (which stopped receiving updates when the fork happened) is still ranked higher in Google searches
- plorkyeran 8d agoWoW is now on wiki number three after the company hosting the second one was also bought by fandom. The original rotting corpse is now over a decade out of date and still often ranks highest.
- jabroni_salad 8d agoFandom also refused to give back the wowwiki.com domain. A mistake to ever let them manage it.
- warmedcookie 8d agoIt's still terrible. Also, congrats on escaping the cancer.
- jmuguy 8d agoYeah fandom has done this to several games. its taken a huge effort on the part of the Satisfactory community to make sure people know the official wiki is https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/ https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/ and not the garbage on fandom. Using an extension to block fandom.com results is helpful because for other games I'm not really thinking about it when searching for something and find myself on that tumor of a website.
- no_wizard 8d agoShoutout to Kagi search for having a deny list feature. It’s really nice for this sort of thing.
- lithos 8d agoGoogle used to have a deny/block list. But such lists are obviously very advertising unfriendly, since the companies paying for placement and running the most ads are most likely to be blocked.
- mitxela 8d agoThey have one, it's just centralised and blocks the good sites.
- hluska 8d ago[flagged]
- 9864325789976 8d ago> Don't hurt Googlers' feelings :(
- lqstuart 8d agoI honestly love Kagi, it's like every single "it would be nice if Google gave me feature X instead of being greedy" in one place
- Melatonic 8d agoExactly. And SmallWeb is awesome too
- xp84 8d agoI'm really enjoying a plugin (Indie Wiki Buddy) for replacing fandom links in search results with those of the corresponding independent wikis, and if you don't have an alternative, it converts any other fandom links to BreezeWiki which is like a 'reader view' of Fandom. In theory I can imagine somebody feeling bad for 'poor fandom' getting scraped (and I do feel bad for some websites that have parties like Google take their content and regurgitate it without sending traffic) but nope, F*k Fandom because they cynically exploit the open CC licenses that this content was created with to guarantee themselves the right to compete with the original creators forever even when the creators want to leave.
- qlm 8d agoI think the fandom wiki for Dota is effectively dead, with everything being migrated to Liquipedia. Doesn't stop the fandom one from ranking highly though.
- mitxela 8d agoThis is why people recommend Kagi.
- alightsoul 8d agoBut it's paid. Some people use brave because it's free and not google. More than duckduckgo
- r3trohack3r 8d agoFree isn’t free, you get what you pay for and you’ll pay one way or another
- _carbyau_ 8d ago> you get what you pay for I generally agree with your sentiment against trusting free services/things. I agree with paying for Kagi. But I can see why people try to be frugal with their money and use free services. The problem is handing over money guarantees nothing. Money provides the opportunity for the other party to do the right thing by you. But they may take your money and do the shitty thing anyway. Particularly when you have no real way to tell - like most people using the internet.
- r3trohack3r 7d agoI also broadly agree with you're sentiment But re: kagi specifically, for me personally, the delta is obvious and isn't trust based. When I use Kagi I have a curated search experience that has a relatively high information density - driven in large part by the alignment of incentives and the ability for me to tune my results. There is a noticeable difference for me when I switch to 'free' alternatives where the content thrown in front of me is mining for attention and CPM - because the cost of 'free' is covered by the value of my attention. The cost of kagi is less than the value of my attention.
- a96 7d agoBrave is a series scam company.
- port11 8d agoFandom is an abomination and filled with irrelevant or very basic content for most games. It wouldn’t exist if not for its phenomenal ranking on game-related searches…
- ranger_danger 8d agoSometimes a fandom site I come across is legitimate and has tons of great information, and other times they completely make up fake games or features and just act like it was always real.
- mitxela 8d agoI think their trick was to buy something that was legitimately highly rated, then enshittify it.
- charcircuit 8d ago>It wasn't always update-to-date with the latest patch In case you didn't know Fandom is not the one who is writing the wiki. The pages are community contributed. If it's out of date it means no one has contributed information about newer patches.
- mitxela 8d agoThis doesn't actually matter, the user experience is just as bad. If you want visitors then you have to find a way to fix it.
- xp84 8d agoFair, but that's not their business model. They don't create any content. Their model is to trick naive (but obsessive) people into filling their wikis with information, then when they realize how enshittified the site is, using their SEO advantage to crush any later attempts by those same people to build a real community wiki. > If you want visitors then you have to... They'd say "Or, we can just have really good SEO and get those visitors without earning them!"
- starkparker 8d agoChrome/Firefox extension that redirects or alerts you when you open a Fandom or Fextralife wiki that has an independent alternative (many of which are migrations off those platforms): https://getindie.wiki/ https://getindie.wiki/
- whstl 8d agoWhen Jimmy Wales launched Fandom, then called Wikia, a shit-ton of (actually encyclopaedic) content about fictional stuff was deleted from Wikipedia to be moved to Fandom, with the excuse that it was a "sister project", that it was the right place for things to be moved, etc. Fandom was pure corruption even before the tenth round of enshittification.
- mitxela 8d agoAre you trying to say Jimmy Wales is corrupt because he didn't let you have a separate page for every Lord of the Rings character?
- xp84 8d agoSelf-dealing is a bad look no matter how you try to spin it. Being fussy about what is and isn't "encyclopedic" (arguably a self-defining idea anyway though) is fine, until it benefits you to rule a certain way, then people are going to speculate. Also, nobody knows how much money Jimmy Wales took home from selling Fandom to TPG/IMC.
- mitxela 8d agoSo when Stack Overflow operates Stack Overflow, for programming questions, and Super User, for usage questions, and directs a computer usage question to Super User, that's corruption?
- xp84 7d agoIt'd be suspect, if SO was a nonprofit, and SU was a budding commercial enterprise owned in part by Mr. Overflow personally, and Mr. Overflow had used his influence over SO rules to farm content for SU so that he could sell SU to PE and get rich.
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- wldcordeiro 8d agoFor what it's worth Liquipedia is sort of aimed at different people than the fandom wiki. Liquipedia has a very e-sports bend to its content so it may be that the ranks are skewed because the fandom wiki has more general purpose info about the game, lore, etc while Liquipedia has info about teams, matches, events, etc.