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Why do you find it to be extremely unlikely?

tristanj 8d ago
Because very few people actually have access to these logs, all access is monitored and recorded, and improper access will get you fired. It's not worth risking your job over something like this.
- dumberquestions 8d ago
  Not that I have strong reasons to think this is not true, but what reasons do we have to think it is? Has this been audited before?
- MathmoKiwi 8d ago
  There is almost zero risk to your job (quite the opposite, you might be richly rewarded!) if you're simply doing something here which the company wants done. (remember, billions and billions of dollars are at stake here! Do you really think there is no chance at all they would do it??)
- robotpepi 8d ago
  > Because very few people actually have access to these logs, all access is monitored and recorded, and improper access will get you fired. It's not worth risking your job over something like this. That's beyond naive. The money this would mean for OpenAI (and the money they've already spent)...
  - vatsachak 8d ago
    Okay suppose that you have a trillion dollar competitor salivating at the mouth to ruin your business, which is based on user privacy. Why would you risk the trillions of dollars worth of business for the niche result of Navier-Stokes, which your average person cannot differentiate from a JEMS paper?
    - desterothx 7d ago
      Because your competitor is likely doing the same thing, so they wont even try to call you out. Oh oh or because you're planning the largest IPO in history. The opinions of average people on the paper aren't going to be the ones reflected in the markets...
- defmacr0 8d ago
  If there's one thing I'm absolutely confident in, it's that Sam Altman personally goes to great lengths ensuring that ethical standards are upheld at his company.
- Laurel1234 8d ago
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MathmoKiwi 8d ago
As modeless said, Sholto Douglas works for Anthropic! So to be fair, if Anthropic is *also* doing this (quite likely!) then Sholto would have a very strong incentive to try and spin it as highly unlikely that any of the big AI labs are possibly doing this.
vatsachak 8d ago
Winning a millennium prize is not worth the fallout of "we will steal your IP"
- qlte 8d ago
  They train on chat logs unless opted out. This really isn't a conspiratorial claim requiring humans to decide to steal IP if true. His prior work predating OpenAI's interest in the problem was ingested over the last year as he made progress and used for training. Then, with a prompting nudge from OpenAI's team who acknowledged hearing about the direction "Anthropic" (his co-collaborator) had been pursuing, they're able to point their giant amount of compute towards a known promising path to a proof and crossing the finish line first.
  - vatsachak 8d ago
    That's fair, but the proofs are different and there was no active perusing of Tristan's approach.
- evdubs 8d ago
  This is literally the business model of LLM companies.

Because very few people actually have access to these logs, all access is monitored and recorded, and improper access will get you fired. It's not worth risking your job over something like this.

dumberquestions 8d ago
Not that I have strong reasons to think this is not true, but what reasons do we have to think it is? Has this been audited before?
MathmoKiwi 8d ago
There is almost zero risk to your job (quite the opposite, you might be richly rewarded!) if you're simply doing something here which the company wants done. (remember, billions and billions of dollars are at stake here! Do you really think there is no chance at all they would do it??)
robotpepi 8d ago
> Because very few people actually have access to these logs, all access is monitored and recorded, and improper access will get you fired. It's not worth risking your job over something like this. That's beyond naive. The money this would mean for OpenAI (and the money they've already spent)...
- vatsachak 8d ago
  Okay suppose that you have a trillion dollar competitor salivating at the mouth to ruin your business, which is based on user privacy. Why would you risk the trillions of dollars worth of business for the niche result of Navier-Stokes, which your average person cannot differentiate from a JEMS paper?
  - desterothx 7d ago
    Because your competitor is likely doing the same thing, so they wont even try to call you out. Oh oh or because you're planning the largest IPO in history. The opinions of average people on the paper aren't going to be the ones reflected in the markets...
defmacr0 8d ago
If there's one thing I'm absolutely confident in, it's that Sam Altman personally goes to great lengths ensuring that ethical standards are upheld at his company.
Laurel1234 8d ago
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MathmoKiwi 8d ago

As modeless said, Sholto Douglas works for Anthropic! So to be fair, if Anthropic is *also* doing this (quite likely!) then Sholto would have a very strong incentive to try and spin it as highly unlikely that any of the big AI labs are possibly doing this.

vatsachak 8d ago

Winning a millennium prize is not worth the fallout of "we will steal your IP"

qlte 8d ago
They train on chat logs unless opted out. This really isn't a conspiratorial claim requiring humans to decide to steal IP if true. His prior work predating OpenAI's interest in the problem was ingested over the last year as he made progress and used for training. Then, with a prompting nudge from OpenAI's team who acknowledged hearing about the direction "Anthropic" (his co-collaborator) had been pursuing, they're able to point their giant amount of compute towards a known promising path to a proof and crossing the finish line first.
- vatsachak 8d ago
  That's fair, but the proofs are different and there was no active perusing of Tristan's approach.
evdubs 8d ago
This is literally the business model of LLM companies.