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Does he claim to have opted out of training too?

• kzrdude 9d ago
  There are various forces at play here, academic honesty requires them to disclose any inputs regardless of license or ToS circumstances. While common sense reminds us here that if you send your data to an external entity’s computer, you are no longer in control of said data. The lines have blurred here clearly over the last decade, but that should have made the theory yet more clear to everyone involved: your data will be vacuumed up unless you keep it sealed. Use your own computer if you want to be in control.
  • cma 8d ago
    But if they didn't opt out of training, did they want OpenAI to opt out for them? Also they need to audit anyone they sent drafts to to make sure they opted out before submitting it. I'd prefer things be opt in, and especially not start opt out, then try to trick you opt in with a popup defaulting to opt-in, like Anthropic did on consumer plans, but if they submitted anything on an opted-in plan it's not reasonable to be mad it trained on it. Even still, I also believe for significant reasons that OpenAI would ignore the opt-out in selective cases and could be in the wrong here. And the threats and terms they offered seem wrong either way, pending more context.
    • kzrdude 8d ago
      If you don't trust the other party, then it doesn't matter how the checkbox is set. The fundamental rule, IMO, is don't send precious or secret data to a third party.