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Serious comment: I wonder how this dynamic will change when AI has some real legal chops. One could spin up agents that could sift through all the BS discovery

Serious comment: I wonder how this dynamic will change when AI has some real legal chops. One could spin up agents that could sift through all the BS discovery docs and correspondence they send to waste time and money. The agents could presumably even file the necessary paperwork on your behalf. Obviously not a lawyer, just food for thought.

alansaber 12d ago
AI is good at volume, bad at accuracy and nuance. Of all the tasks to go through with a fine-toothed comb (ie, manually) legal is one.
- bix6 12d ago
  And yet all the lawyers are dripping in AI. I got a near final doc from one the other day with a bunch of perplexity bullshit in it. How is this real life…
  - alansaber 12d ago
    Just as many junior devs are serving slop PRs. Unfortunately, you can only take a horse to water.
- misstuned 12d ago
  Genuine question - isn't legal stuff one of the things AI should in theory be very good at? Legalese is like code, in that every word is very strictly defined and there to do a specific job in the text. I feel like that's one of the things AI would be good at writing and interpreting.
  - alansaber 12d ago
    It's far from trivial to set up anything more formalised than a loose taxonomy. People have been trying for a few decades now. AI will help automate this formalisation with graphs etc but it's not good enough yet for you to give a judge 13m LOC of mathlic proving your client isn't guilty.
LatticeAnimal 12d ago
Unserious comment: The big company will spin up swarms of agents whose job is to overwhelm your AI agents with legal requests / correspondence, still with the goal of making you run out of money (but now via AI spend).
- stymaar 12d ago
  Plot twist they'll be running Claude Bible or GPT-Galaxy with max reasoning on, against my dumb local Qwen-0.8b and they'll run out of money before I do.
  - mmooss 12d ago
    Currently their attorneys cost much more than yours. That doesn't appear to be sufficient.
    - stymaar 12d ago
      First: it's a joke. Second: the US justice system is also a joke. I could fight Google in justice and win in my country (France) and in pretty much any other developed country because a working system doesn't let big actor DoS smaller player out of justice. You obviously can't fix a corrupt syatem with technology.
  - joquarky 12d ago
    Perhaps Brandolini’s Law might apply here.
- throw0101a 12d ago
  > The big company will spin up swarms of agents whose job is to overwhelm your AI agents […] This may be a plot point in a William Gibson novel.
- wraptile 12d ago
  but clearly there is diminishing returns on spend here right? Assuming that tokens will get cheap enough then once we both spend 10,000$ no one's is getting more advantage because both LLMs exhaust all effective paths hitting high rates of diminishing returns making further attack investments mostly void.
ValentineC 12d ago
> The agents could presumably even file the necessary paperwork on your behalf. Someone's name needs to be at the bottom of the paperwork, and those court filing costs would also add up.

alansaber 12d ago

AI is good at volume, bad at accuracy and nuance. Of all the tasks to go through with a fine-toothed comb (ie, manually) legal is one.

bix6 12d ago
And yet all the lawyers are dripping in AI. I got a near final doc from one the other day with a bunch of perplexity bullshit in it. How is this real life…
- alansaber 12d ago
  Just as many junior devs are serving slop PRs. Unfortunately, you can only take a horse to water.
misstuned 12d ago
Genuine question - isn't legal stuff one of the things AI should in theory be very good at? Legalese is like code, in that every word is very strictly defined and there to do a specific job in the text. I feel like that's one of the things AI would be good at writing and interpreting.
- alansaber 12d ago
  It's far from trivial to set up anything more formalised than a loose taxonomy. People have been trying for a few decades now. AI will help automate this formalisation with graphs etc but it's not good enough yet for you to give a judge 13m LOC of mathlic proving your client isn't guilty.

LatticeAnimal 12d ago

Unserious comment: The big company will spin up swarms of agents whose job is to overwhelm your AI agents with legal requests / correspondence, still with the goal of making you run out of money (but now via AI spend).

stymaar 12d ago
Plot twist they'll be running Claude Bible or GPT-Galaxy with max reasoning on, against my dumb local Qwen-0.8b and they'll run out of money before I do.
- mmooss 12d ago
  Currently their attorneys cost much more than yours. That doesn't appear to be sufficient.
  - stymaar 12d ago
    First: it's a joke. Second: the US justice system is also a joke. I could fight Google in justice and win in my country (France) and in pretty much any other developed country because a working system doesn't let big actor DoS smaller player out of justice. You obviously can't fix a corrupt syatem with technology.
- joquarky 12d ago
  Perhaps Brandolini’s Law might apply here.
throw0101a 12d ago
> The big company will spin up swarms of agents whose job is to overwhelm your AI agents […] This may be a plot point in a William Gibson novel.
wraptile 12d ago
but clearly there is diminishing returns on spend here right? Assuming that tokens will get cheap enough then once we both spend 10,000$ no one's is getting more advantage because both LLMs exhaust all effective paths hitting high rates of diminishing returns making further attack investments mostly void.

ValentineC 12d ago

> The agents could presumably even file the necessary paperwork on your behalf. Someone's name needs to be at the bottom of the paperwork, and those court filing costs would also add up.