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Not necessarily I think, because socialism need not be authoritarian, I don't know how, maybe in a thousand years when the society collectively reached higher l

Not necessarily I think, because socialism need not be authoritarian, I don't know how, maybe in a thousand years when the society collectively reached higher levels of moral development. But my intuition is that for libertarian socialism to exist, people need to agree and desire to converge to a golden mean ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean_(philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mean_(philosophy) ) instead of being incentivised to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible.

alsetmusic 10d ago
> socialism need not be authoritarian True socialism is the opposite of authoritarianism. Simply put, it's taking care of everyone. Just because the label has been misused doesn't change the goal of those of us who identify as socialists. USA propaganda made it a bad word. > As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. [0] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
- gchamonlive 10d ago
  True! But at some point the rubber needs to meet the road and we haven't seen this materialize in practice, so for all intents and purposes, when we talk about realist socialism we need to account for the various forms of authoritarianism that comes in the package, I think
  - mxmilkiib 8d ago
    shouldn't we, by the same account, maybe even more, be disparaging of capitalism?
    - gchamonlive 8d ago
      I don't know, I don't care about capitalism, I prefer to reserve my attention for things that could work long term and let it wither and die. Having said that, I don't subscribe to capitalist propaganda. When I say realist socialism that should refer to the inherent structures of power that need to exist in order to organize large groups of people and how to manage greed and ambition so it doesn't eat society from within. It's important to idealise true socialism, but just as much as the Ubermensch can't materialize, that is also just a compass, a guiding star.

alsetmusic 10d ago

> socialism need not be authoritarian True socialism is the opposite of authoritarianism. Simply put, it's taking care of everyone. Just because the label has been misused doesn't change the goal of those of us who identify as socialists. USA propaganda made it a bad word. > As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. [0] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

gchamonlive 10d ago
True! But at some point the rubber needs to meet the road and we haven't seen this materialize in practice, so for all intents and purposes, when we talk about realist socialism we need to account for the various forms of authoritarianism that comes in the package, I think
- mxmilkiib 8d ago
  shouldn't we, by the same account, maybe even more, be disparaging of capitalism?
  - gchamonlive 8d ago
    I don't know, I don't care about capitalism, I prefer to reserve my attention for things that could work long term and let it wither and die. Having said that, I don't subscribe to capitalist propaganda. When I say realist socialism that should refer to the inherent structures of power that need to exist in order to organize large groups of people and how to manage greed and ambition so it doesn't eat society from within. It's important to idealise true socialism, but just as much as the Ubermensch can't materialize, that is also just a compass, a guiding star.