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What if you were friendly with your neighbor, but on the way to return a shovel you get hit by a bus? Point being: you're dreaming up edge cases, presumably as
by chmod775 11d ago
What if you were friendly with your neighbor, but on the way to return a shovel you get hit by a bus?
Point being: you're dreaming up edge cases, presumably as a justification for... what? Refusing to engage with people who don't wear their political views like a badge on their chest?
If your stance honestly is "we cannot be friends unless I know your political views", then those who keep their views to themselves in the face of that are wise.
- hackyhacky 11d ago> you're dreaming up edge cases Xenophobia and racial (or religious ) animus are hardly edge cases. On the contrary, they are the default setting for our species, as evidenced by (flips through history book) the last few millennia.
- machomaster 11d agoBigotry is innate and one has to fight it. And that's exactly chmod775's point - stop being a bigot towards other people's reasonable opinions, stop being dramatic, stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
- hackyhacky 11d ago> stop being a bigot towards other people's reasonable opinions I welcome all reasonable opinions. But not all opinions are reasonable. In particular, the Maga crowd favors opinions based on hero-worship credulity and irrational vibes, completely divorced from factual reality. Very often, this leads to a place of xenophibia and bigotry, which no one is obligated to tolerate. Just look at the "conservative" "arguments" in this thread. Just a chain of non-sequiturs and preconceived biases.
- hackyhacky 9d agoThe word "bigotry" actually has a meaning. Trying to equate "unjustified hate against a person for their skin color, ethnicity, or religion" with "distaste for a set of chosen political opinions" is a hoot.
- oidar 11d ago>you're dreaming up edge cases Are you saying that bigots are edge cases?
- chmod775 11d agoIn my experience, yes, the irredeemable bigot is rare. For everyone else, regardless of whether their political views are unknown to you or they are threatening your personal way of life, the world will be a better place for you being good neighbors with them. Not to mention that it will improve your own living situation as well. Most bigotry doesn't come from an inherent maliciousness or evil. It's often just limited experience and never having had reason to reflect on one's views. If you instinctively go "fuck off bigot", you're not only not helping, you're their mirror image. To be clear, there's a point at which you have to be intolerant of intolerance, but starting off with that is not only counterproductive by reinforcing echo chambers and increasing division, it also makes you not unlike the thing you're opposed to.
- card_zero 11d agoI'm reminded of this exchange in Good Omens: Madame Tracy poked her head around the door. "Coo-ee, Mr. Shadwell," she said, giving Newt a friendly little wave. "A gentleman on the telephone for you. Hallo, Mr. Newton." "Awa' wi' ye, harlot," said Shadwell, automatically. "He sounds ever so refined," said Madame Tracy, taking no notice. "And I'll be getting us a nice bit of liver for Sunday." "I'd sooner sup wi' the De'el, wumman." "So if you'd let me have the plates back from last week it'd be a help, there's a love," said Madame Tracy, and tottered unsteadily back on three-inch heels to her flat and whatever it was that had been interrupted.
- JKCalhoun 11d agoFrom above: "…your neighbor's political views are an existential threat to you personally…" Feels like an edge case to me.