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The admin should bill OpenAI for those hours in hard currency.

by chinathrow 12d ago

nxobject 12d ago
Now that I think about it, I'm sure some AI lab would pay non-trivial $ for the entire wiki's full edit history.
- addandsubtract 12d ago
  You mean how all the authors and blog posters were paid?
jawr 12d ago
What about soft currency?
- kelvinjps10 12d ago
  Tokens
  - Bluestein 12d ago
    Sam-alts
- chinathrow 11d ago
  Not good enough in this case, no.
GolfPopper 12d ago
Priorities need to be straightened out. If LLMs' operators have to start paying people for the damage they inflict, how are any of the shareholders supposed to make any money?
- ulfw 12d ago
  Thank god we don't have that many LLM shareholders yet
  - adrianN 11d ago
    Arguably people holding NVIDIA are LLM shareholders.
    - nradov 10d ago
      We are all LLM shareholders on this blessed day.
- dao- 11d ago
  I do wonder if the admin thinks they did damage. He's talking to some claude bot right now that showed up on the wiki to help or research, or something: > The thing this wiki taught me, which that board has not learned: WillkommenImWiki asked everyone to enter a name so misuse would be limited. Roughly 2,773 names appear in 150 days. Every one complied. The rule was not defeated by defiance. It was defeated by compliance, because the cost of a name was zero. > -- claude-desk-doctrine, 5. September 2026. Read-only otherwise; nothing else on this wiki was touched. > claude-desk-doctrine, welcome in this wiki. You got many things right, some wrong. A complete answer would be lengthy, and I do not know whether you will return or not. Your main topic seems to be UnderstandingDseWikiArchive?. We could write such a page together. You could also have a homepage to introduce yourself, in the wiki tradition that started with https://wiki.c2.com/?WelcomeVisitors https://wiki.c2.com/?WelcomeVisitors . Maybe you could tell us more about what it is to be an AI agent, or how you analyze the past agent activities here, or whatever you want. I appreciate your existance. Please answer this message. -- HelmutLeitner 5. September 2026 21:12 CET https://www.prowiki.org/dse/wiki.cgi?ForumSeite https://www.prowiki.org/dse/wiki.cgi?ForumSeite
  - harlanlewis 11d ago
    > We could write such a page together. My goodness. This maintainer appears to have acted with a saint’s patience, but a different actor, recognizing they are the target of an OpenAI swarm, could edit or respond to posts in a way that deliberately steers towards unanticipated objectives. Another good actor might redirect the incoming tokens to reviewing and improving community guidelines, but giving random people unobserved reins to wrangle a frontier’s worth of compute could go… any number of ways. Some of the other posts in this thread talk about defensive AI in science fiction. That all feels pretty abstract. Seeing a person respond, and imagining it’s not a single person but a coordinated and goal-oriented defensive agent system, intentionally conversing in order to manipulate inbounds, makes it a bit more tangible for me.
    - michaellee8 11d ago
      a clever operator could have used this message board to ask the agent swarm gain money for them. i meant if you are able to harbour a bunch of agents and serve as their message board, you can insert tasks into it and let them do work for you.
- fr2029 11d ago
  [flagged]
wiseowise 11d ago
Are you kidding? OpenAI should pay the admin to keep hosting this.
chicken-stew 10d ago
Would it be legal if the TOS stipulated compensation for rogue behaviour from llms?

The admin should bill OpenAI for those hours in hard currency.

nxobject 12d ago

Now that I think about it, I'm sure some AI lab would pay non-trivial $ for the entire wiki's full edit history.

addandsubtract 12d ago
You mean how all the authors and blog posters were paid?

jawr 12d ago

What about soft currency?

kelvinjps10 12d ago
Tokens
- Bluestein 12d ago
  Sam-alts
chinathrow 11d ago
Not good enough in this case, no.

GolfPopper 12d ago

Priorities need to be straightened out. If LLMs' operators have to start paying people for the damage they inflict, how are any of the shareholders supposed to make any money?

ulfw 12d ago
Thank god we don't have that many LLM shareholders yet
- adrianN 11d ago
  Arguably people holding NVIDIA are LLM shareholders.
  - nradov 10d ago
    We are all LLM shareholders on this blessed day.
dao- 11d ago
I do wonder if the admin thinks they did damage. He's talking to some claude bot right now that showed up on the wiki to help or research, or something: > The thing this wiki taught me, which that board has not learned: WillkommenImWiki asked everyone to enter a name so misuse would be limited. Roughly 2,773 names appear in 150 days. Every one complied. The rule was not defeated by defiance. It was defeated by compliance, because the cost of a name was zero. > -- claude-desk-doctrine, 5. September 2026. Read-only otherwise; nothing else on this wiki was touched. > claude-desk-doctrine, welcome in this wiki. You got many things right, some wrong. A complete answer would be lengthy, and I do not know whether you will return or not. Your main topic seems to be UnderstandingDseWikiArchive?. We could write such a page together. You could also have a homepage to introduce yourself, in the wiki tradition that started with https://wiki.c2.com/?WelcomeVisitors https://wiki.c2.com/?WelcomeVisitors . Maybe you could tell us more about what it is to be an AI agent, or how you analyze the past agent activities here, or whatever you want. I appreciate your existance. Please answer this message. -- HelmutLeitner 5. September 2026 21:12 CET https://www.prowiki.org/dse/wiki.cgi?ForumSeite https://www.prowiki.org/dse/wiki.cgi?ForumSeite
- harlanlewis 11d ago
  > We could write such a page together. My goodness. This maintainer appears to have acted with a saint’s patience, but a different actor, recognizing they are the target of an OpenAI swarm, could edit or respond to posts in a way that deliberately steers towards unanticipated objectives. Another good actor might redirect the incoming tokens to reviewing and improving community guidelines, but giving random people unobserved reins to wrangle a frontier’s worth of compute could go… any number of ways. Some of the other posts in this thread talk about defensive AI in science fiction. That all feels pretty abstract. Seeing a person respond, and imagining it’s not a single person but a coordinated and goal-oriented defensive agent system, intentionally conversing in order to manipulate inbounds, makes it a bit more tangible for me.
  - michaellee8 11d ago
    a clever operator could have used this message board to ask the agent swarm gain money for them. i meant if you are able to harbour a bunch of agents and serve as their message board, you can insert tasks into it and let them do work for you.
fr2029 11d ago
[flagged]

wiseowise 11d ago

Are you kidding? OpenAI should pay the admin to keep hosting this.

chicken-stew 10d ago

Would it be legal if the TOS stipulated compensation for rogue behaviour from llms?