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Very dumb but what if he claims he was only using to train an AI model, what was that ruling on copyright material being ok to training AI models on. Would this

by kodoman 12d ago

Very dumb but what if he claims he was only using to train an AI model, what was that ruling on copyright material being ok to training AI models on. Would this hold up in court or not?

horsawlarway 12d ago
They might be in the clear if they were solely downloading (might) but if he's also seeding then it's just copyright violations.
hackingonempty 12d ago
Downloading it and making a copy on your disk are separate potentially infringing events from copying into memory and a model.
gorbachev 12d ago
I don't know a single company where an executive would be downloading training data themselves. The only exception would be a very small startup, which isn't the case here, or all IT, admin and engineering staff told the company they aren't doing anything illegal for Zuckerberg. That's not going to happen at Meta either.
- ElProlactin 12d ago
  > I don't know a single company where an executive would be downloading training data themselves. Maybe an ethically bankrupt company with a "move fast and break things" ethos looking for exactly the plausible deniability your comment hints at?
  - 12_throw_away 12d ago
    > the plausible deniability Well now I'm hoping this makes it to a courtroom, so that the plaintiffs can ask, on the court record and under penalty of perjury, exactly what he was using that quantity of pornography for. When, how often, and so on. (Not that there's anything wrong or shameful about that, in general, but it would confirm my biases about what executives do all day.)
mminer237 12d ago
Rulings have said that reproduction of AI models which were trained on copyrighted material are not violating the copyright on those materials. The initial copying of those materials without paying is illegal regardless. You still have to buy or otherwise legally view a copy of the book/movie/photo to train your model on it.
- aeon_ai 12d ago
  Not quite. If the materials were publicly available on a site and scraped? Fair use. If they were distributed illegally and acquired through that distribution? Cooked. If you scraped it AND saved it? Cooked.
  - mminer237 11d ago
    Yeah, sorry, I tried to imply that. Publicly available on a website is included in "otherwise legally view".

by kodoman 12d ago

Very dumb but what if he claims he was only using to train an AI model, what was that ruling on copyright material being ok to training AI models on. Would this hold up in court or not?

horsawlarway 12d ago

They might be in the clear if they were solely downloading (might) but if he's also seeding then it's just copyright violations.

hackingonempty 12d ago

Downloading it and making a copy on your disk are separate potentially infringing events from copying into memory and a model.

gorbachev 12d ago

I don't know a single company where an executive would be downloading training data themselves. The only exception would be a very small startup, which isn't the case here, or all IT, admin and engineering staff told the company they aren't doing anything illegal for Zuckerberg. That's not going to happen at Meta either.

ElProlactin 12d ago
> I don't know a single company where an executive would be downloading training data themselves. Maybe an ethically bankrupt company with a "move fast and break things" ethos looking for exactly the plausible deniability your comment hints at?
- 12_throw_away 12d ago
  > the plausible deniability Well now I'm hoping this makes it to a courtroom, so that the plaintiffs can ask, on the court record and under penalty of perjury, exactly what he was using that quantity of pornography for. When, how often, and so on. (Not that there's anything wrong or shameful about that, in general, but it would confirm my biases about what executives do all day.)

mminer237 12d ago

Rulings have said that reproduction of AI models which were trained on copyrighted material are not violating the copyright on those materials. The initial copying of those materials without paying is illegal regardless. You still have to buy or otherwise legally view a copy of the book/movie/photo to train your model on it.

aeon_ai 12d ago
Not quite. If the materials were publicly available on a site and scraped? Fair use. If they were distributed illegally and acquired through that distribution? Cooked. If you scraped it AND saved it? Cooked.
- mminer237 11d ago
  Yeah, sorry, I tried to imply that. Publicly available on a website is included in "otherwise legally view".