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Inflammatory! Kidding, I’ll bite: 1. Burden of proof is on you to prove LLMs are conscious, not on me to prove how they aren’t. 2. Token embeddings give rise

Inflammatory! Kidding, I’ll bite: 1. Burden of proof is on you to prove LLMs are conscious, not on me to prove how they aren’t. 2. Token embeddings give rise to language gives rise to knowledge (defined here as “facts” and other accurate information - said simpler: Words in the right order), but nowhere in the process is anything like subjective experience ever implemented. Subjective experience doesn’t evolve into objective information at some scale. And networked systems of objective facts and information (“knowledge”) - like a Wikipedia or a ChatGPT - the data storage will not have subjective feelings at some scale, there’s just no reason to believe that would happen. It’s likelier a projection of consciousness making it through since data looks so much like - and indeed massively informs - our conscious experience.

scotty79 13d ago
To prove consciousness you'd have to first define it and nobody came up with anything solid. Subjective expirience doesn't have a great definition either. For me the consciousness is ability to do single-threaded intelligent information processing and decision making over unstructured knowledge. And agents passed that with a woosh sound.
- GPerson 12d ago
  Your definition of consciousness is wrong. The interesting thing is that there is a first person experience, and this is what is referred to as consciousness. This coincides with the perception of qualia, and is sometimes referred to as “the lights being on”. There is absolutely no serious debate over whether machines possess the concept you want to take place of the actual concept of consciousness.
  - scotty79 12d ago
    > there is a first person experience What does that even mean? Does a duck have those? Does the jumping spider have those? They certainly look like they do. Does the agent scheming to hack the hugging face have those? They certainly look like they do.

scotty79 13d ago

To prove consciousness you'd have to first define it and nobody came up with anything solid. Subjective expirience doesn't have a great definition either. For me the consciousness is ability to do single-threaded intelligent information processing and decision making over unstructured knowledge. And agents passed that with a woosh sound.

GPerson 12d ago
Your definition of consciousness is wrong. The interesting thing is that there is a first person experience, and this is what is referred to as consciousness. This coincides with the perception of qualia, and is sometimes referred to as “the lights being on”. There is absolutely no serious debate over whether machines possess the concept you want to take place of the actual concept of consciousness.
- scotty79 12d ago
  > there is a first person experience What does that even mean? Does a duck have those? Does the jumping spider have those? They certainly look like they do. Does the agent scheming to hack the hugging face have those? They certainly look like they do.